O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[Med Pie]

That's not communism at all The core principle, at least in Marx's imagining, is that each person should receive according to their need, and the means of production should be jointly owned to facilitate that. This doesn't actually work in practice.

I said 'A' not 'the'.

The US doesn't have such sub judice rules because of the 1st Amendment. But plenty of other countries, including Canada and Australia, have rules restricting reporting and/or discussion in Parliament on live criminal cases.

I trained as a lawyer, I can see the difference between the genuine, proper use of the law and it's deployment as a convenient shield to prevent the asking of awkward questions.

The questions people want answered, are not to do with the crime itself, rather a 'who knew what when'. The public are fed a diet of lies to keep them sedated. Three more Pakistani men (brothers) convicted of grooming and ***ual offences against white, children this week but have we heard about it? Search 'Pakistani brothers convicted of grooming' on the BBC and seen what results you get.

https://www.easterneye.biz/brothers-...-***ual-abuse/

Colour, race is irrelevant, however, there are cultural differences which are incompatible with life in the UK.

[OchPie]

I said 'A' not 'the'.

Yeah, and I said THE core principle is the exact opposite of what you claimed A core principle to be.

I trained as a lawyer, I can see the difference between the genuine, proper use of the law and it's deployment as a convenient shield to prevent the asking of awkward questions.

The questions people want answered, are not to do with the crime itself, rather a 'who knew what when'. The public are fed a diet of lies to keep them sedated. Three more Pakistani men (brothers) convicted of grooming and ***ual offences against white, children this week but have we heard about it? Search 'Pakistani brothers convicted of grooming' on the BBC and seen what results you get.

https://www.easterneye.biz/brothers-...-***ual-abuse/

Colour, race is irrelevant, however, there are cultural differences which are incompatible with life in the UK.

If you trained as a lawyer, surely you must recognise that "who knew what and when" links directly to the investigative techniques used and the timing of evidence collection, which itself can be *****ly important in a criminal case? Of course in some cases it may not be, and if that is so the judge can lift reporting restrictions. That's how it is supposed to work, which for someone trained as a lawyer, you should know.

Took less than ten seconds of googling to find: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz0mrz5ln3eo

Most grooming gangs in the UK are made up of white men. What "cultural differences" do you blame that on? Or do you just think the victims of white grooming gangs should shut up and be ignored because that's not a "cultural difference" to talk about?

[Med Pie]

Yeah, and I said THE core principle is the exact opposite of what you claimed A core principle to be.



If you trained as a lawyer, surely you must recognise that "who knew what and when" links directly to the investigative techniques used and the timing of evidence collection, which itself can be *****ly important in a criminal case? Of course in some cases it may not be, and if that is so the judge can lift reporting restrictions. That's how it is supposed to work, which for someone trained as a lawyer, you should know.

Took less than ten seconds of googling to find: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz0mrz5ln3eo

Most grooming gangs in the UK are made up of white men. What "cultural differences" do you blame that on? Or do you just think the victims of white grooming gangs should shut up and be ignored because that's not a "cultural difference" to talk about?

Simply being allowed to show that the government lied to the public, is not, pivotal to the actual case.

Can you show me a recent example of a white grooming gang, plenty of individuals but gangs? Denying that a cultural problem exists, ensures that it doesn't get addressed.

[Notsohumblepie]

Yeah, and I said THE core principle is the exact opposite of what you claimed A core principle to be.



If you trained as a lawyer, surely you must recognise that "who knew what and when" links directly to the investigative techniques used and the timing of evidence collection, which itself can be *****ly important in a criminal case? Of course in some cases it may not be, and if that is so the judge can lift reporting restrictions. That's how it is supposed to work, which for someone trained as a lawyer, you should know.

Took less than ten seconds of googling to find: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz0mrz5ln3eo

Most grooming gangs in the UK are made up of white men. What "cultural differences" do you blame that on? Or do you just think the victims of white grooming gangs should shut up and be ignored because that's not a "cultural difference" to talk about?

You're being disingenuous regarding " grooming" . Say ,for arguments sake, 15% of grooming gangs were of one ethnicity , and in Nottingham, and the other 85% were more ethnically diverse but spread UK wide, then you might find Nottingham considered itself to be more threatened than the UK as a whole .

[OchPie]

You're being disingenuous regarding " grooming" . Say ,for arguments sake, 15% of grooming gangs were of one ethnicity , and in Nottingham, and the other 85% were more ethnically diverse but spread UK wide, then you might find Nottingham considered itself to be more threatened than the UK as a whole .

Nope. It is true that some ethnicities might be over-represented in certain crimes compared to the population, and it is valid then to ask why - and it is ***** that no community is shielded from legal consequences (as seems to have happened in Rochdale) - but to ignore that numerically a lot more grooming gang members are white men while blaming grooming on "cultural differences" is what is disingenuous.

[Med Pie]

Most grooming gangs in the UK are made up of white men. What "cultural differences" do you blame that on? Or do you just think the victims of white grooming gangs should shut up and be ignored because that's not a "cultural difference" to talk about?

Another group of twenty, Pakistani men, convicted of grooming, for a combined total of about two hundred years. During the case, one of the victims was being stared down in court by one of the accused mens family and there were confrontations outside the court.

Enlighten me OP, can you point out any more, white, grooming gangs which you insist are in the majority? The only white grooming mob I can think of was totally debunked as the work of a fantasist who made allegations against high, profile men. The one you linked to in Walsall happened during my time overseas but to suggest it's the majority is blinkered IMO.