Quote Originally Posted by SinceSept1959 View Post
Some would say he's certainly a champagne socialist , son of a toolmaker and addicted to freebies ?

As for Rachel , it doesn't say much for her training. She ,allegedly , needed help to fill in her Tax Return and had her Parliamentary CC suspended for exceeding the limit and forgot to pay off the arrears. Doesn't inspire confidence when managing the economy ?
It is also reported that the Shadow Chancellor had briefings from the OBR and BOE prior to the last GE . From those meetings, any "black hole " deficits would have been revealed prior to the election, casting doubts on " the fully costed " finances for the acclaimed policy agendas.
With their trips to the Swiss Alps and an admitted liking for the policies of wealthy entitled folks, it might be logical to assume where their preferred allegiances are focused?
I am sure some would say he is a champagne socialist, not that there's much evidence for his affinity to either of those things. The freebie stuff is damn stupid of him admittedly.

As for Reeves, I could do my own taxes but also pay someone to do them for me. I know how to use a vacuum but still hire a cleaner, too. It's a weird attack.

The Tories promising compensation for the infected blood scandal but not actually putting money aside for it is one good example of where that black hole came from. That wasn't shared with the OBR either.

As for the Swiss Alps, who doesn't like them? But being close to wealthy entitled folk doesn't exactly sound like a communist, does it? As it happens I do think Labour can be a bit too corporatist. Thatcher made the "nation of shopkeepers" quite firmly a Tory preoccupation, and that is something Labour need to break the habit of.

Quote Originally Posted by Med Pie View Post
Simply being allowed to show that the government lied to the public, is not, pivotal to the actual case.

Can you show me a recent example of a white grooming gang, plenty of individuals but gangs? Denying that a cultural problem exists, ensures that it doesn't get addressed.
How do you know it is not pivotal to the actual case?

There will be plenty of time after the case to show if they lied or not. The speaker has guaranteed time to discuss it.

As for the white grooming gang, the Walsall one from 2023 is the first that comes to mind. I hope ITV is trustworthy enough for you. https://www.itv.com/news/central/202...s-biggest-case