Stabbings

[army88]

The tories asset stripped the UK, spent billions on Brexit which is still costing us, gave away billions during Covid to their cronies in PPE contracts that were worthless then gave away millions in unaudited fraudulent claims for assistance, have put Councils across the country into situations where if they were private companies they would have to declare bankruptcy and have made record borrowings to finance their maladministration, leaving the country in enormous debt and they've almost destroyed the NHS and Labour are then criticised for trying to fix the mess by increasing taxes. it's laughable. What would the Tories have done if they'd stayed in power? Borrowed more money to buy lottery tickets? Get real, this country is in deep economic **** and it's not labour's fault.

Asset stripped - not sure - last Labour government you could maybe pin that on - Gold

Jobs for the boys Ppe I can’t argue with it

Covid - do you think people would even have got payments under Labour - the answers no and truth we’d still be locked down now and mask wearing under the idiot Starmer

Before you post re the councils check
Out which councils they are - Labour I think you’ll find in the main

Parties have been trying to fix the NHS for years and they ll all fail because there will never be enough money until it’s run correctly and we get control of immigration and families flying relatives in for treatments on the NHS for nothing ( it happens trust me ).

Increasing taxes to sort out conservative policy that’s a new one - as I remember that’s usually a conservative problem when Labour have wrecked things.

Tbf no party wanted Brexit or Covid under its tenure

Lastly the current government imo anyway just signed up to borrow a lot more than any Tory government would and we’re going sink like the titanic - you only have to go back 6 months to see the promises and lies by the opposition then and how they’ve already defaulted on all their policy - whilst giving civil servants - train drivers and doctors what they want and more whilst achieving the square root of f all except sink the country.

We have yet to see what Labour offer , but as a starting few months in my eyes we’re only going one way and it’s not forward.

[sinkov]

The tories asset stripped the UK, spent billions on Brexit which is still costing us, gave away billions during Covid to their cronies in PPE contracts that were worthless then gave away millions in unaudited fraudulent claims for assistance, have put Councils across the country into situations where if they were private companies they would have to declare bankruptcy and have made record borrowings to finance their maladministration, leaving the country in enormous debt and they've almost destroyed the NHS and Labour are then criticised for trying to fix the mess by increasing taxes. it's laughable. What would the Tories have done if they'd stayed in power? Borrowed more money to buy lottery tickets? Get real, this country is in deep economic **** and it's not labour's fault.

Brexit was not a Tory policy, they campaigned, along with Labour and the LibDems, to Remain in the EU. Leaving the EU was a decision of the British people, not the Tories, incompetently implemented by the Tories who put a Remainer in charge, the duplicitous traitor Theresa May.

The Covid debacle has wrecked the UK economy, but Labour wanted longer lockdowns and circuit breakers, higher furlough payments and longer periods of payment, the damage wrought upon the economy would have been a lot, lot worse under a Labour government and the debt a lot higher.

The NHS is a mess, any attempts to reform it are met with howls of outrage, but until it is reformed it will continue to swallow the huge amounts of money thrown at it by the Tories and now Labour. Neither of them have the courage to grasp the nettle of reform, so it will continue to lumber on, almost overwhelmed with the extra demand placed on it each passing year by the exponential increase in the UK population, driven mainly by immigration, which neither party can get a grip of. Incidentally, the good folk of Burnley used to have their own A&E depertment, that was closed and moved to Blackburn in 2007, under a Labour government.

[ballcock]

The tories asset stripped the UK, spent billions on Brexit which is still costing us, gave away billions during Covid to their cronies in PPE contracts that were worthless then gave away millions in unaudited fraudulent claims for assistance, have put Councils across the country into situations where if they were private companies they would have to declare bankruptcy and have made record borrowings to finance their maladministration, leaving the country in enormous debt and they've almost destroyed the NHS and Labour are then criticised for trying to fix the mess by increasing taxes. it's laughable. What would the Tories have done if they'd stayed in power? Borrowed more money to buy lottery tickets? Get real, this country is in deep economic **** and it's not labour's fault.

Do you honestly think that this Labour government or any Labour government would have done a better job of managing Covid than the Tories, evidence of the past and this last couple of months under this Marxist regime, says otherwise. What with Starmer and Rayner already taking literally hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of gifts from Lord Ali, Covid would have been just right for them to line their own pockets even further.

Labour record in local government is appallingly, with Birmingham Council being a fine example. The city as literally being brought to its knees with public services in disorder and disarray, due to shear negligence and incompetency

The new health secretary was making all the right noises pre election, that he was going to reform the NHS and not give it any additional funding, well that didn't last long. Where do you think the money is going to come from to fund the NI rises, the government.

[Swissclaret]

The NHS has, for too long, been a sacred vow as far as successive Governments are concerned. The public has been told such lies that “it is the envy of the world” and “free at the point of delivery”. The delivery may be free, but the cost of making that delivery is enormous.

The Government need look no further than other countries and how they have better health services. It is not rocket science. Review after review produces nothing but additional expense paid for by the taxpayer.

A good starting point will be to eliminate the well paid managers. As the NHS is “broken” they are clearly failing and mismanaging the system. In the private sector they would be sacked.

One obvious step that would help is to encourage those that can afford it to go private with health insurance. However, those people are the worst hit by the Budget. No joined up thinking, no foresight, just throw billions at it, as per usual.

[kritichris]

Well that got a good response, I can see I'm heavily outvoted on here so I'll have to agree to disagree. My socialists views are well entrenched by reading books like The Ragged trousered philanthropists, The Stars look down and Germinal during my misspent youth. I'll keep the red flag flying here as well as the Claret and Blue one. Coincidentally I visited Wigan pier yesterday whilst I was on the road (by the canal).

[Swissclaret]

Well that got a good response, I can see I'm heavily outvoted on here so I'll have to agree to disagree. My socialists views are well entrenched by reading books like The Ragged trousered philanthropists, The Stars look down and Germinal during my misspent youth. I'll keep the red flag flying here as well as the Claret and Blue one. Coincidentally I visited Wigan pier yesterday whilst I was on the road (by the canal).

I have read The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists three times at various stages in my life, as well as other books depicting the harshness of life for people battling to survive. I cannot visit and admire stately homes in Britain built on the back of wealth generated by landowners using almost slave Labour in the pits and other industries.

There is no doubt that the Labour movement did a great job in bringing about a fairer society. That does not mean that there is not still work to be done. The NHS was a brilliant concept to take away the fear of not being able to afford medical treatment, which was the case up to its creation.

The problem is that the world keeps turning, times change, as do the needs of the people. I am not in favour of unfettered capitalism as time has shown that greed is alive and well. The rich simply want to get richer. Nor am I in favour of unfettered socialism as time has shown that it fails as a system.

Ideally, one needs a blend of the two - not a competition between big state and private enterprise. This provides checks and balances to the worst excesses of either model, whilst freeing up the good in both.

There are elements of socialism that are good. There are elements of capitalism that are good. These need not be mutually exclusive.

The role of good government should be to recognise these elements and foster an environment that enables these elements to flourish for the betterment of all.

[kritichris]

I have read The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists three times at various stages in my life, as well as other books depicting the harshness of life for people battling to survive. I cannot visit and admire stately homes in Britain built on the back of wealth generated by landowners using almost slave Labour in the pits and other industries.

There is no doubt that the Labour movement did a great job in bringing about a fairer society. That does not mean that there is not still work to be done. The NHS was a brilliant concept to take away the fear of not being able to afford medical treatment, which was the case up to its creation.

The problem is that the world keeps turning, times change, as do the needs of the people. I am not in favour of unfettered capitalism as time has shown that greed is alive and well. The rich simply want to get richer. Nor am I in favour of unfettered socialism as time has shown that it fails as a system.

Ideally, one needs a blend of the two - not a competition between big state and private enterprise. This provides checks and balances to the worst excesses of either model, whilst freeing up the good in both.

There are elements of socialism that are good. There are elements of capitalism that are good. These need not be mutually exclusive.

The role of good government should be to recognise these elements and foster an environment that enables these elements to flourish for the betterment of all.

Fair balanced view Swiss. I mainly vote Labour now as a vote against the Tories and as they are the lesser of two evils. Modern Labour aren't socialists but until we all go Green I'll stick with them.

Curse the American spell checker,z's for s's and labor for labour.

[outwoodclaret]

I also much enjoyed reading Zola. La Terre, Germinal, Nana et al. I love European culture and language. I voted to join the Common Market because trading on good terms with Europe made complete sense. The disaster came with the expansion into the EU and the desire to create a United States of Europe. This was not what I voted for when joining the Common Market. I am sure there will be a reset with Europe in due course and I sincerely hope this will not mean going back into the EU as it presently is. I was a trade union rep in my workplace and used to vote Labour at national and local level. It has dawned on me over the past few years that Labour and the Tories just keep taking turns at getting things wrong and we should seriously look at reforming our electoral system. In local politics Labour (running Bury council) have done their best to wreck Radcliffe where I live to the extent that we formed our own local political party. That party now holds every seat in the Radcliffe wards. In effect we wanted change locally and voted for it. We just need to find a Government that will stand up for us as a nation because I haven’t seen anything like that for many a year.

[sinkov]

I was still quite young when I read Solzhenitsyn's 'One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich', 'Cancer Ward,' and 'The Gulag Archipelago', then Koestler's 'Darkness at Noon'. They decided me that a capitalist system of society, for all it's many faults and failings, was much, much preferable to Socialism. I've seen absolutely nothing since, in a fairly long life, to make me change my mind.

[Robus]

Darkness at Noon is one of the best dissections of communist ideology, with its fraudulent appeals to "history."

Turns out that "Welsh" lad in Southport had Al-Qaeda manuals and ricin. Meanwhile English people are sitting in prison for having an opinion about it.

Your globalist government wants you silenced, imprisoned, dead, bankrupted, and replaced. Your country is dying. I pray that we can save ours.