O/T:- Convicted rioter commits suicide in prison

[SmiffyPie]

a: The State has a moral ( and legal ? ) duty to ensure the safety of all people in prisons including inmates and staff. Therefore, other than acute and unexpected medical occurrences,no one should die in prison

b: It is always concerning that first time offenders, or remand inmates, are often placed in cells with violent, long term career prisoners .

a: How will that be achieved? 24hr CCTV survelliance? 15 min patrols? No single cells? Unfortunately I would think it near on impossible to do without Human Rights being infringed and someone (most) complaining.

b: Agree completely.

[SinceSept1959]

Yes I agree what you say about achieving such an ideal.
Prisons are very dangerous places and violence, drugs, and staffing levels are all relevant factors.
Far too many people are sent to prison who have MH issues together with others with serious health complications.
Whenever court cases are reported, there is always a tendency for readers to be puzzled by the sentences.
Without knowing the full facts, it appears that some people are harshly treated and others, who perhaps deserve longer sentences, are treated more leniently ?
Maybe , (without being overtly religious, ) if more people followed The Ten Commandments and weren't victims of the drug culture, prisons wouldn't be so overpopulated ?

[Med Pie]

It's a fact that " The Death Penalty " (Capital Punishment ) was abolished in 1967 but people are still dying in prison.
The State has a moral ( and legal ? ) duty to ensure the safety of all people in prisons including inmates and staff. Therefore, other than acute and unexpected medical occurrences,no one should die in prison
A minor media outlet , allegedly, claimed that two other people , jailed for offences during the protests, have been badly beaten after being a minority presence on their cell wing blocks ?
It is always concerning that first time offenders, or remand inmates, are often placed in cells with violent, long term career prisoners .

Let's see if that extends to Tommy Robinson.

I've watched a lot of podcasts by various 'personalities' and former prison officers and it seems like Muslim gangs are dominant in numerous prisons so it's not hard to believe that perceived 'racists' would be targeted.

People are predicting that TR will be murdered in prison and that the government are complicit in, at the very least, making his stay in prison, uncomfortable. There's no doubt that he is extremely vulnerable in there.

[Lullapie]

After you've corrected the spelling Swale, please could you merge this with the UK Party Politics thread?

No need at all to start a new one.

I wasn't being political. I was just a bit shocked when I found what he had been imprisoned for - as well as his former mental state, which seemed to have been overlooked by the courts.

You're not asking to Swale to move stuff to hide it are you? Isn't that a form of censorship?

[Lullapie]

Sorted!

Many thanks .

[SinceSept1959]

Let's see if that extends to Tommy Robinson.

I've watched a lot of podcasts by various 'personalities' and former prison officers and it seems like Muslim gangs are dominant in numerous prisons so it's not hard to believe that perceived 'racists' would be targeted.

People are predicting that TR will be murdered in prison and that the government are complicit in, at the very least, making his stay in prison, uncomfortable. There's no doubt that he is extremely vulnerable in there.

According to some alternative media reports , Mr.Robinson has been moved from Belmarsh to Woodhill, where it's alleged he was previously imprisoned and attacked. ?

[BigFatPie]

If prison is so bad/dangerous for Tommy Ten Names it makes me wonder why he keeps doing things that get him locked up.

Maybe there’s no money in actually getting a proper job.

[maddogslater]

You mean like telling the truth fatty, you are a piece of work.

[Elite_Pie]

You mean like telling the truth fatty, you are a piece of work.

So can you give any examples where Mr Yaxley-Lennon was convicted because he told the truth?

I thought he was jailed because he repeatedly broke the law.

[maddogslater]

Can't be bothered to Google search, I have a life beyond the NCM debating society, just stuff I've listened to on various podcasts