Ok, not football at all, but it matters, eventually.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

The idea Trump is stupid doesn’t really stack up. I get why people may not like or what he says but he is a pretty successful developer, hotelier and media persona.

He can also relate to the common man in a way some struggle to do but on the flip side seems very capable of being a tad - I believe the US phrase is honorary

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Orgs/Spaldy

What do you make of JD Vance as he seems quite an interesting character with a real ad hoc mix of views and experiences?

[spaldy]

Vance is very sharp and still has some ethics. He's also not "woke".

He has been consistently under rated by all of his interviewers and politicians. He also has a sharp edge to him and does not suffer fools, misrepresentations and lies. He rebuts them when they are being said and is more tactful that Trump. If trump wins they will attack him with a ferocity that will match their attacks on Trump. I expect, like a lot of threats to DC that he'll have some made up charges filed against him and they'll also prosecute him. I believe that attack on him early in the campaign that he pleasured himself with a couch has been proven to be false but truth really doesn't matter anymore.

He is a threat to DC. Life will be very difficult for him.

[Orgoner]

Orgs/Spaldy

What do you make of JD Vance as he seems quite an interesting character with a real ad hoc mix of views and experiences?

Both of the VP picks make complete sense based on the candidates they are supporting and the voters they’re trying to attract or consolidate.

Trump’s choice of Pence was also a logical choice at the time.

On Vance specifically? As Spaldy has already mentioned, he is a lot smarter than his opponents seem to think and, aside from one or two historical comments (the recent cat lady one was amusing), he isn’t carrying much in the way of excess unwanted baggage.

I watched “Hillbilly elegy” (an autobiographical take on his early life) and he’s certainly come an interesting route.

I don’t dislike the VP candidates anywhere near as much as their bosses.

[WTF11]

The idea Trump is stupid doesn’t really stack up. I get why people may not like or what he says but he is a pretty successful developer, hotelier and media persona.

He can also relate to the common man in a way some struggle to do but on the flip side seems very capable of being a tad - I believe the US phrase is honorary

He is NOT a "successful developer of anything apart from his own ego!

Trump received around $500 million from his father in gifts and other wealth transfers (in 2024 dollars). Had he invested that money passively in Manhattan real estate, it would have been worth over $80 billion by 2017 instead of the $2.5 billion that Forbes estimate.

"Relate to the common man"?????????? He knows how to MANIPULATE the common man by exploiting an understandable (and totally avoidable) suspicion of politicians (I refer you to Spaldys post relating to Truman) on the part of said common man. HE has about as much time for (and real understanding of) the common man as I have of complex brain surgery.