O/T:- Betting odds for US Election [The USA Politics Thread]

[SmiffyPie]

Strange old world innit!
Here we are lauding or lambasting a person who, if they had carried out the things he is accussed of in any normal walk of life, would be a social pariah or behind bars.

[Lullapie]

Strange old world innit!
Here we are lauding or lambasting a person who, if they had carried out the things he is accused of in any normal walk of life, would be a social pariah or behind bars.

There lies the problem...again. Accused by who though? Barack and Michelle Obama? Joe Biden's Department of Justice? Tim Walz? Kamala Harris (well her advisors who tell her what to say)? The left-wing media? That is what most of us outside of the US have been fed on.

It is a funny old world Smiffy , but for many in the US, the nightmare is coming to an end.

A rather motley collection of has-beens and ne'er do wells, who all have a vested interest in keeping power and suppressing Trump and his supporters. To me, the people who have ended up the worst out of this whole election are the true Democrat supporters, who have put their heart and soul into getting something unelectable, elected.

Barack and Michelle Obama, simply made themselves look like fools. If the current Democrat administration are anywhere near politics at the next election and think they can convince Michelle Obama to stand, then whoever stands for the Republicans will probably end up winning as many college seats as Trump and a few more to add. The Obamas weren't liked that much out of their own circles in the US and their performances at Harris rallies were, to be honest, disgraceful.

[slack_pie]

To me, the people who have ended up the worst out of this whole election are the true Democrat supporters, who have put their heart and soul into getting something unelectable, elected.

In the long run, this may be the kick up the arse the Dems (and the left in general) need to bring them back from the brink of madness. A wake up call of sorts. The sheer arrogance to think they could just choose a black woman as their candidate and that would be enough, regardless of her ability or credibility. That they could just pay rotten A-list celebrities to talk at her rallies and that would be enough. That people would vote for more of the same managed decline of a once great country - and calling the opposition Hitler would be enough.

Again, I'm not a fan of Trump by any means, but the Dems are rotten to the core.

[Bohinen]

The sheer arrogance to think they could just choose a black woman as their candidate and that would be enough, regardless of her ability or credibility. .

Haven't the Tories just done the same thing? This really isn't about the left. Listen to what Bernie Sanders has to say about the current state of the Democrats. You might remember him as a leading candidate for the Democratic nomination for 2020 before Biden pushed him out of the way with the help of powerful friends.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bern...y?id=115582079

[slack_pie]

Haven't the Tories just done the same thing? This really isn't about the left. Listen to what Bernie Sanders has to say about the current state of the Democrats. You might remember him as a leading candidate for the Democratic nomination for 2020 before Biden pushed him out of the way with the help of powerful friends.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bern...y?id=115582079

Yeah, they've chosen a black woman to lead them, but not because she's a black woman (although the fact she isn't yet another ex-Eton/Oxford toff is a pleasant change). Whatever you think of her views, she's articulate, smart, and seems a ruthless competitor. She also has clear and consistent views. Kamala was/had none of those things.

What Bernie Sanders said confirms a point I mentioned early that the Dems have become the party of the establishment and liberal metropolitan elite, not the working class. They are totally out of touch with the average American. I hope the Harris debacle makes them realise they need to refocus. I don't necessarily align with Bernie Sanders' politics, but at least you know what he stands for because he has clear and consistent views. What the hell did Harris stand for? What was she offering? I couldn't tell you. Yet somehow she managed to blow a billion-dollar budget on a campaign about nothing.

[Jampie]

What Bernie Sanders said confirms a point I mentioned early that the Dems have become the party of the establishment and liberal metropolitan elite, not the working class. They are totally out of touch with the average American. I hope the Harris debacle makes them realise they need to refocus. I don't necessarily align with Bernie Sanders' politics, but at least you know what he stands for because he has clear and consistent views. What the hell did Harris stand for? What was she offering? I couldn't tell you. Yet somehow she managed to blow a billion-dollar budget on a campaign about nothing.

I'm in basic agreement with this paragraph but think a bit more highly of Harris than you do.

[jackal2]

Yeah, they've chosen a black woman to lead them, but not because she's a black woman (although the fact she isn't yet another ex-Eton/Oxford toff is a pleasant change). Whatever you think of her views, she's articulate, smart, and seems a ruthless competitor. She also has clear and consistent views.

Very true.

Conservative Party members clearly didn't elect Kemi Badenoch 'because' or 'despite' the fact she is black, but because they trusted her most of all the candidates to deliver the Conservative values they want to see.

In other words, in line with the dream of Martin Luther King, they judged her not by the colour of her skin, but by the content of her character.

[BigFatPie]

Very true.

Conservative Party members clearly didn't elect Kemi Badenoch 'because' or 'despite' the fact she is black, but because they trusted her most of all the candidates to deliver the Conservative values they want to see.

In other words, in line with the dream of Martin Luther King, they judged her not by the colour of her skin, but by the content of her character.

You think you’ve seen it all when it comes to politics on here but I never thought I’d see the values of MLK being ascribed to members of the Conservative Party. People who voted for Liz Truss just to avoid having Rishi Sunak as leader.

Especially by someone who cheers on *checks* a white supremacist. Lol.

[Lullapie]

What Bernie Sanders said confirms a point I mentioned early that the Dems have become the party of the establishment and liberal metropolitan elite, not the working class. They are totally out of touch with the average American. I hope the Harris debacle makes them realise they need to refocus. I don't necessarily align with Bernie Sanders' politics, but at least you know what he stands for because he has clear and consistent views. What the hell did Harris stand for? What was she offering? I couldn't tell you. Yet somehow she managed to blow a billion-dollar budget on a campaign about nothing.

Great points Slack.

The Democrats are in complete denial. Even today they are slagging off the American electorate calling them racist, ***ist etc. For the Republicans this is music to their ears as the Democrats are too stupid to admit they got it all wrong. They thought that they could put anyone up against Trump and win, because in their opinion the majority of people in the US hate Trump - just like the billionaire and Hollywood Democrats who pumped a crazy amount of money into the campaign. They look so much like the wealthy, spoilt Republicans of old - mind you, many of the old, spoilt Republicans had defected to the Democrats to try and defeat Trump.

Unfortunately, as a few have been trying to say on here, the US Electorate don't hate Trump. In fact many love him, as he is anti-establishment. His big mistake in 2020 was complacency. He didn't make the same mistake in 2024.

[Jampie]

In the long run, this may be the kick up the arse the Dems (and the left in general) need to bring them back from the brink of madness. A wake up call of sorts. The sheer arrogance to think they could just choose a black woman as their candidate and that would be enough, regardless of her ability or credibility. That they could just pay rotten A-list celebrities to talk at her rallies and that would be enough. That people would vote for more of the same managed decline of a once great country - and calling the opposition Hitler would be enough.

Again, I'm not a fan of Trump by any means, but the Dems are rotten to the core.

I do hope it's a wake up call for them on several fronts, but none of the top democrat people I've heard or read speaking about her selection said anything like the above.

As I mentioned the day they nominated her, she does have 21 years relevant experience, which is 21 years more than Trump had when he was elected and 17 more than he has now. Any criticism of her qualifications or experience from the right is pure hypocrisy, as was their criticism of Biden's age or mental capacity, given they've elected Donald "THEY'RE EATING THE DORGS" Trump, and as predicted, never once mentioned age again after Biden's withdrawal.

A big factor Harris's nomination, unfortunately, was the lack of time. There wasn't time to do a primary properly, or time to build a campaign apparatus or start raising money from scratch. And given that Harris was already on Biden's ticket, all of his campaign finance and organisation could be transferred over to her - and no other candidate, legally - immediately.

I think if Biden had stepped back from running again at all, and they'd run a legit primary, they'd have had more of a chance. Still pushing it uphill because of the prevailing economic conditions, which are bad for incumbents everywhere.