O/T:- Betting odds for US Election [The USA Politics Thread]

[tripie]

Haven't the Tories just done the same thing? This really isn't about the left. Listen to what Bernie Sanders has to say about the current state of the Democrats. You might remember him as a leading candidate for the Democratic nomination for 2020 before Biden pushed him out of the way with the help of powerful friends.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bern...y?id=115582079

Whatever you might think of her, there was due process to KBs selection. KH was just railroaded in because the decision to drop Biden was taken too late.

[jackal2]

Yeah, they've chosen a black woman to lead them, but not because she's a black woman (although the fact she isn't yet another ex-Eton/Oxford toff is a pleasant change). Whatever you think of her views, she's articulate, smart, and seems a ruthless competitor. She also has clear and consistent views.

Very true.

Conservative Party members clearly didn't elect Kemi Badenoch 'because' or 'despite' the fact she is black, but because they trusted her most of all the candidates to deliver the Conservative values they want to see.

In other words, in line with the dream of Martin Luther King, they judged her not by the colour of her skin, but by the content of her character.

[BigFatPie]

In the long run, this may be the kick up the arse the Dems (and the left in general) need to bring them back from the brink of madness. A wake up call of sorts. The sheer arrogance to think they could just choose a black woman as their candidate and that would be enough, regardless of her ability or credibility. That they could just pay rotten A-list celebrities to talk at her rallies and that would be enough. That people would vote for more of the same managed decline of a once great country - and calling the opposition Hitler would be enough.

Again, I'm not a fan of Trump by any means, but the Dems are rotten to the core.

Talking about the ‘madness’ of one side when the other has just put up and elected an adjudicated rapist and convicted criminal as president is insane.

The dems can very much be accused of complacency imo but to say Harris was only chosen because she was black is hugely racist and speaks volumes why you spend so much time on here as an apologist for Trump while all the time not having the cajones to admit being a ‘fan’.

[BigFatPie]

Very true.

Conservative Party members clearly didn't elect Kemi Badenoch 'because' or 'despite' the fact she is black, but because they trusted her most of all the candidates to deliver the Conservative values they want to see.

In other words, in line with the dream of Martin Luther King, they judged her not by the colour of her skin, but by the content of her character.

You think you’ve seen it all when it comes to politics on here but I never thought I’d see the values of MLK being ascribed to members of the Conservative Party. People who voted for Liz Truss just to avoid having Rishi Sunak as leader.

Especially by someone who cheers on *checks* a white supremacist. Lol.

[Lullapie]

Are you suggesting that Trump has done no wrong and is the victim of a witch hunt?

You seem to be.

No such thing EP (with regards to any suggestion). You know my view on people who turn to politics. It's like me saying to you, are you suggesting that no Democrat has ever done anything wrong?

The first part of your comment - I believe that Trump has done some wrong, maybe even 'illegal' acts. However, I do believe he is the victim of a witchhunt.

I believe the majority of people who voted for him, possibly believe the same - especially the swing voters. When you drill down on the details behind what he has been charged with, it is nearly all Department of Justice driven and driven by Democrat sympathisers within the DoJ. But I'm not getting into a discussion/debate on here about that, because you won't change my opinion and vice versa .

[Lullapie]

What Bernie Sanders said confirms a point I mentioned early that the Dems have become the party of the establishment and liberal metropolitan elite, not the working class. They are totally out of touch with the average American. I hope the Harris debacle makes them realise they need to refocus. I don't necessarily align with Bernie Sanders' politics, but at least you know what he stands for because he has clear and consistent views. What the hell did Harris stand for? What was she offering? I couldn't tell you. Yet somehow she managed to blow a billion-dollar budget on a campaign about nothing.

Great points Slack.

The Democrats are in complete denial. Even today they are slagging off the American electorate calling them racist, ***ist etc. For the Republicans this is music to their ears as the Democrats are too stupid to admit they got it all wrong. They thought that they could put anyone up against Trump and win, because in their opinion the majority of people in the US hate Trump - just like the billionaire and Hollywood Democrats who pumped a crazy amount of money into the campaign. They look so much like the wealthy, spoilt Republicans of old - mind you, many of the old, spoilt Republicans had defected to the Democrats to try and defeat Trump.

Unfortunately, as a few have been trying to say on here, the US Electorate don't hate Trump. In fact many love him, as he is anti-establishment. His big mistake in 2020 was complacency. He didn't make the same mistake in 2024.

[Elite_Pie]

I believe that Trump has done some wrong, maybe even 'illegal' acts. However, I do believe he is the victim of a witchhunt.

Wow! So you think he has "maybe done some illegal acts", but he is the victim of a witch hunt!

I don't think I need to add anything to that.

[magpie_mania]

No such thing EP (with regards to any suggestion). You know my view on people who turn to politics. It's like me saying to you, are you suggesting that no Democrat has ever done anything wrong?

The first part of your comment - I believe that Trump has done some wrong, maybe even 'illegal' acts. However, I do believe he is the victim of a witchhunt.

I believe the majority of people who voted for him, possibly believe the same - especially the swing voters. When you drill down on the details behind what he has been charged with, it is nearly all Department of Justice driven and driven by Democrat sympathisers within the DoJ. But I'm not getting into a discussion/debate on here about that, because you won't change my opinion and vice versa .

‘Illegal’ acts?

Pretty obvious from the information out there that he has committed many illegal acts. He was found guilty and is a convicted felon. He doesnÂ’t care, in his opinion he is untouchable. He glories in what he should be ashamed of (think of what he said he could do to women for instance). Just call everything you donÂ’t like fake (he believes that too).

I donÂ’t believe that the majority who voted for him believe he is the victim of a witch-hunt, rather that they are willing to overlook his misdemeanours because they feel they will be better off under Trump.

Like him or loathe him you canÂ’t argue that he doesnÂ’t say what people like to hear.

I think it is troubling that he will have almost unrestrained power. Much more troubling I think is that Musk has bought his way in to the corridors of power. Makes Lord Alli’s donations etc look like peanuts (Musk donated £92m).

[jackal2]

You think you’ve seen it all when it comes to politics on here but I never thought I’d see the values of MLK being ascribed to members of the Conservative Party. People who voted for Liz Truss just to avoid having Rishi Sunak as leader.

Especially by someone who cheers on *checks* a white supremacist. Lol.

I appreciate that "progressives" have to cling to the race card and identity politics for pretty much all they're worth these days, but their problem is that increasing numbers of minority voters are realising that they were/are being used and manipulated, not protected or represented, by a (predominantly white, middle class) liberal left intelligentsia. It turns out that a growing number of people from 'minority backgrounds' are now turned off by being told who to vote for based on, for example, their ethnicity.

How dare a black person like Kemi Badenoch get herself elected leader of the Conservatives?

How dare increasing numbers of (e.g.) Latino/Hispanic/Black voters support Donald Trump, of all people, effectively giving him the big push over the line into the White House?

It's the "black face of white supremacy", as Dawn Butler would say - indeed did say in a tweet that revealed everything about the content of her character. Or to put it another way, minority voters should know their role, much like white working class people should automatically vote Labour. Anybody who doesn't is an idiot or a traitor ... but remember everybody should "be kind".

Of course, people on the right of politics shouldn't complain about such insults from the illiberal left towards what they see as "their" own misbehaving support-base, indeed they should hope it continues, because it's phenomenally effective in convincing increasing numbers of that support base to look elsewhere.

[since41]

‘Illegal’ acts?



I think it is troubling that he will have almost unrestrained power. Much more troubling I think is that Musk has bought his way in to the corridors of power. Makes Lord Alli’s donations etc look like peanuts (Musk donated £92m).

See the Financial Times link I posted a few posts back, Close as Musk will get to being President being born overseas, it will be an interesting watch the next few years.