O/T:- Betting odds for US Election [The USA Politics Thread]

[slack_pie]

Well, Biden had a far worse inability to articulate basic points or demonstrate basic leadership qualities and they picked him in 2020, mainly because he wasn't Bernie Sanders.

You like so many others, mainly on the right but also on the left, seem obsessed with the idea this was a left/right contest, when really it wasn't. On some aspects of economic policy and certainly on foreign policy, Trump is further left than Biden. That he might actually intervene and stop the utterly pointless Ukraine war is not 'right-wing' is it? Left-wingers like Sanders and Corbyn have the exact same policy. Where Trump is 'right-wing'. if you must call it that (it's more authoritarian really), it is on social issues like abortion, trans-rights etc, but are they what matter most to ordinary working people? The election results suggest not, whether that offends us or not.

Here's some evidence ... (tip for the GB News viewers amongst us, it's OK, the Spectator is generally right-wing)

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...ng-than-biden/

Is Trump more left-wing than Biden? The President has a surprising capacity for progressive-sounding political analysis.

A leftist anti-Trumper I may be, but I’ve been strangely impressed by the President’s capacity for perfectly credible, progressive–sounding political analysis, especially on the trade issues that sometimes bring together on common ground right-wing nationalists and left-wing defenders of labour rights. That an estimated eight million Obama voters chose Trump in 2016, and more than 200,000 Bernie Sanders supporters voted for him in the three crucial Midwestern states of Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, testifies to his appeal among a portion of the disaffected working class who cannot simply be written off as racist, right-wing or lunatic.

You are right, I am absolutely obsessed with the idea that this was a left-right contest. Like so many others. Thanks for pointing that out.

I agree with a lot of what you've said, but you've missed out a few key points. Trump is more right wing than Biden/Harris when it comes to his views on the size and role of the state and the scope of bureaucracy and regulation. He has a slight libertarian streak in this regard, whereas the Biden/Harris and the Dems instinctively want to control stuff.

[Lullapie]

You are right, I am absolutely obsessed with the idea that this was a left-right contest. Like so many others. Thanks for pointing that out.

I agree with a lot of what you've said, but you've missed out a few key points. Trump is more right wing than Biden/Harris when it comes to his views on the size and role of the state and the scope of bureaucracy and regulation. He has a slight libertarian streak in this regard, whereas the Biden/Harris and the Dems instinctively want to control stuff.

Trump threatens, but doesn't always do. He is more intelligent, in my opinion, than most politicians because he knows how to get what he wants and what he wants is what politics throughout the world is lacking - common sense. I am a Libertarian, that's why people like Trump appeal to me.

I reckon, and I've said this before, that the modern day left aren't what us oldies remember. They are agenda and ideology driven. This has pushed them further left around the political spectrum making their policies unworkable - only ideological.

This in turn has left a massive vacuum on the centre-left, which has been filled in the US by the MAGA movement. Republicans like Cheney (and his lovely wife) and the others that jumped ship couldn't care less about workers. They just focus on growing their own personal wealth. They went in balls deep with the party of the billionaires and joined the Democrats.

[Elite_Pie]

Trump threatens, but doesn't always do. He is more intelligent, in my opinion, than most politicians because he knows how to get what he wants and what he wants.

Does that include "grabbing pu$$y" when he wants?

In your world that probably didn't happen.

[Elite_Pie]

Does that include "grabbing pu$$y" when he wants?

In your world that probably didn't happen.

You appear to have missed this post Lullapie.

No problem, I'll give you another chance to address it.

[Lullapie]

You appear to have missed this post Lullapie.

No problem, I'll give you another chance to address it.

That's OK EP. I didn't miss it . Trump is and was a man of incredible wealth and incredible power. I think the comment that he made was about 10 years before he stood for the Presidency and obviously it was either how he thought/thinks or it was just male 'bravado'. He definitely said it - no doubting that.

If I was with a few mates and someone said that, would I stand up, walk out and post it over the internet - probably not. If they became Prime Minister a few years later, would it be an issue? No. To me when you see some of the atrocities in the world, I don't see it as a big thing.

If Joe Biden had said it, I wouldn't see it as a big thing. Just as when Bill Clinton, a married man and then President of the USA had $ex with a young intern in the Oval Office and then lied to Ken Starr, under oath, about what he'd done - I didn't get worked up by that either.

If that is important to you, then I'm ok with that. We're all different. Obviously there are lots of people in the US share my thoughts and there will be lots that share yours. Just not enough to win an election .

[Elite_Pie]

We're all different. Obviously there are lots of people in the US share my thoughts and there will be lots that share yours. Just not enough to win an election .

Yes, it seems the majority shared your thoughts that having a president who thinks it's ok to "grab pu$$y" if you want to is no big deal.

Luckily, as you say "we're all different".

[Lullapie]

Yes, it seems the majority shared your thoughts that having a president who thinks it's ok to "grab pu$$y" if you want to is no big deal.

Luckily, as you say "we're all different".

So everything that has happened in the last 20 years, Trump saying 'grab pu$$y' ranks highly on what you worry about?

[Notsohumblepie]

Yes, it seems the majority shared your thoughts that having a president who thinks it's ok to "grab pu$$y" if you want to is no big deal.

Luckily, as you say "we're all different".

To be fair, oral *** in the Oval Office, or sharing Marilyn Monroe with your brother hardly counts as universal rectitude either .
The disrespect is pretty general, and pretty deplorable

[Jampie]

That's OK EP. I didn't miss it . Trump is and was a man of incredible wealth and incredible power. I think the comment that he made was about 10 years before he stood for the Presidency and obviously it was either how he thought/thinks or it was just male 'bravado'. He definitely said it - no doubting that.

If I was with a few mates and someone said that, would I stand up, walk out and post it over the internet - probably not. If they became Prime Minister a few years later, would it be an issue? No. To me when you see some of the atrocities in the world, I don't see it as a big thing.

If Joe Biden had said it, I wouldn't see it as a big thing. Just as when Bill Clinton, a married man and then President of the USA had $ex with a young intern in the Oval Office and then lied to Ken Starr, under oath, about what he'd done - I didn't get worked up by that either.

If that is important to you, then I'm ok with that. We're all different. Obviously there are lots of people in the US share my thoughts and there will be lots that share yours. Just not enough to win an election .

Yikes. If I was with a few mates and one of them said that I would absolutely confront them about it. To me the implied lack of consent is just unacceptable. But that's just me.

I don't approve of Clinton's actions but it's pretty clear consent was given and indeed she was head over heels for him at the time.

[Lullapie]

Yikes. If I was with a few mates and one of them said that I would absolutely confront them about it. To me the implied lack of consent is just unacceptable. But that's just me.

I don't approve of Clinton's actions but it's pretty clear consent was given and indeed she was head over heels for him at the time.

You're probably of a much higher calibre than me and have a greater moral compass.