O/T:- Betting odds for US Election [The USA Politics Thread]

[BigFatPie]

Ah, using the "racist" card - very on-brand. Biden openly admitted that he'd pick a woman as VP before he selected Harris. He also explicitly said he would pick a black woman "for the courts".

https://time.com/5803677/joe-biden-w...ice-president/

If you don't think demographics played a role in Harris being chosen as the Dems' candidate, you are very naive. Put it this way - given Harris's inability to articulate basic points or demonstrate basic leadership qualities, do you think she'd have been the Dems pick if she was a white male?

Also, if I liked Trump the man, I'd admit it. Why wouldn't I? You suggesting I'm too afraid to merely speaks to the entrenched view that people on the left have that they are the good guys and those on the right are all nasty. I like some of Trump's policies (not all of them), and I rate some of the team he's assembled. But do I like him as a person? Nope, and for obvious reasons.

The link you posted doesn’t say anything about ‘a black woman’. So before you claim I’m playing the race card, it was you who brought it up.

Like other right wing dingbats on here you didn’t reply to my actual post you replied to one in your head. I’ll repeat, to glibly talk like you did about the ‘madness’ of the Dems and how ‘they’re rotten to the core’ when the Republicans for the third time have nominated and again elected a rapist a criminal and a white supremacist is insane. ‘Like’ or ‘dislike’ is irrelevant.

Unlike you apparently I don’t know enough about Kamala Harris to know whether she would have made a decent president or not, but I know she isn’t a rapist, a criminal or a white supremacist so had I vote in the US she would have got it for those reasons. She also didn’t claim to win an election she clearly lost. I would have thought anyone with a shred of decency would agree.

Now the election is finished we can all watch how Trump will shaft not only the people who didn’t vote for him but also the ones who did, especially the poorer ones. Donald Trump is interested in one thing and that’s Donald Trump.

[slack_pie]

The link you posted doesn’t say anything about ‘a black woman’. So before you claim I’m playing the race card, it was you who brought it up.

Like other right wing dingbats on here you didn’t reply to my actual post you replied to one in your head. I’ll repeat, to glibly talk like you did about the ‘madness’ of the Dems and how ‘they’re rotten to the core’ when the Republicans for the third time have nominated and again elected a rapist a criminal and a white supremacist is insane. ‘Like’ or ‘dislike’ is irrelevant.

Unlike you apparently I don’t know enough about Kamala Harris to know whether she would have made a decent president or not, but I know she isn’t a rapist, a criminal or a white supremacist so had I vote in the US she would have got it for those reasons. She also didn’t claim to win an election she clearly lost. I would have thought anyone with a shred of decency would agree.

Now the election is finished we can all watch how Trump will shaft not only the people who didn’t vote for him but also the ones who did, especially the poorer ones. Donald Trump is interested in one thing and that’s Donald Trump.

Not the best link I guess. Try this one instead:

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/28/p...ick/index.html

Biden literally said: “Whomever I pick, preferably it will be someone who was of color and/or a different gender."

I'm not interested in getting into an argument about this. My point is simply that demographics almost certainly played a key role in Biden making Harris VP and then her becoming the presidential candidate. Me pointing out that this was likely a factor in their decision-making doesn't make me racist. The left loves to make things about race and gender.

As for the madness of the Dems - I'm talking about policies here primarily. A lot of people clearly feel the same, so it's unsurprising that most people voted for a party offering change and not more of the same. This doesn't mean I like Trump or am happy about the stuff you've mentioned.

As for what happens in a Trump presidency - I guess we'll have to wait and see. It's not like Biden and the Dems haven't been shafting Americans for years either.

[slack_pie]

Last thing I want to mention. I know you see me as a "right-wing dingbat", but I've spent my life voting for left-wing or centrist parties. I have more of a libertarian bent than I used to have, but that's just come about through life experiences, which you can't account for when you are younger. I don't see those libertarian views as fundamentally left or right. And they apply to certain issues but not others (i.e. I'm not actually a libertarian).

In recent years, however, the left has shifted in quite bizarre and extreme ways, and many people who were once somewhere in the middle or centre-left of the spectrum now find themselves somewhere they never expected to be. Now, you can be considered a conservative or even controversial for holding views that were consensus about 15 years ago. That's what I mean by "the madness of the Dems".

I know plenty of other people who feel the same way. Many of the high-profile people behind Trump are former Democrats or Democrat voters. It's pretty bizarre to be labelled "right-wing" (not that there's anything wrong with being right-wing) and "racist" by people you've never met for having discussions about this.

[BigFatPie]

Not the best link I guess. Try this one instead:

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/28/p...ick/index.html

Biden literally said: “Whomever I pick, preferably it will be someone who was of color and/or a different gender."

I'm not interested in getting into an argument about this. My point is simply that demographics almost certainly played a key role in Biden making Harris VP and then her becoming the presidential candidate. Me pointing out that this was likely a factor in their decision-making doesn't make me racist. The left loves to make things about race and gender.

As for the madness of the Dems - I'm talking about policies here primarily. A lot of people clearly feel the same, so it's unsurprising that most people voted for a party offering change and not more of the same. This doesn't mean I like Trump or am happy about the stuff you've mentioned.
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Again you didn’t say ‘demographics played a part’ in Harris’ nomination, you literally said she was chosen because she was a black woman. Something for which you’ve provided no evidence, and which is a racist allegation. Neither me nor anymore else brought this up, you did, but apparently it’s the left who likes to make everything about race and gender!

I’ve genuinely no idea how you can put issues like the raping, the self confessed ***ual assaults, the 34 felony counts, and the attempts to subvert democracy into a box marked ‘the stuff you’ve mentioned’ and move on seamlessly to discuss how really the main thing is how bad the left is in general, the dems are in particular and how stuff that everyone apparently agreed upon years ago now makes you right wing(what?). What would Donald Trump have to do for you to say, ‘actually this is a line for me, I wouldn’t vote for him even if I had the chance’?

[slack_pie]

Again you didn’t say ‘demographics played a part’ in Harris’ nomination, you literally said she was chosen because she was a black woman. Something for which you’ve provided no evidence, and which is a racist allegation. Neither me nor anymore else brought this up, you did, but apparently it’s the left who likes to make everything about race and gender!

I’ve genuinely no idea how you can put issues like the raping, the self confessed ***ual assaults, the 34 felony counts, and the attempts to subvert democracy into a box marked ‘the stuff you’ve mentioned’ and move on seamlessly to discuss how really the main thing is how bad the left is in general, the dems are in particular and how stuff that everyone apparently agreed upon years ago now makes you right wing(what?). What would Donald Trump have to do for you to say, ‘actually this is a line for me, I wouldn’t vote for him even if I had the chance’?

You seem to be misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm saying that I believe the fact that Harris is a black woman was a factor in her first becoming the VP and then being picked as the presidential candidate. It obviously wasn't the only factor, but I believe it was a fairly major one, if not a deciding one. What makes me think that? Well, the fact that the Dems have relentlessly pushed woke identity politics in recent years. Biden said himself he'd prefer a person of colour and/or a woman to be his VP. Why would he say that if ethnicity and gender weren't important to him and his party?

As for me, I genuinely don't care what gender or ethnicity the president (or anyone) is. I'd vote for the person I think is most likely to bring about positive change.

So that's just what I think. If you think something different, that's fine. If you think had Harris been a white man she'd have landed VP and become the Dem's candidate for president, fine. But I don't think so. That doesn't make me racist - like I said, I couldn't care less about gender and ethnicity. If calling me racist makes all this easier for you then fine, fill your boost, but I honestly think that's a poor way to deal with someone who disagrees with you.

To answer your question "What would Donald Trump have to do for you to say, ‘actually this is a line for me, I wouldn’t vote for him even if I had the chance’?"

If he seemed committed to pushing woke identity politics wherever possible, had no plans to secure the Southern border, and looked hell bent on continuing to stoke the fires of foreign wars, I wouldn't vote for him.

Honestly, if I were an American, what he's done in his private less would be of less importance to me than the direction he'd take the country in. I don't look to politicians for moral or spiritual guidance. I look to them to fix stuff and make the country better, safer, and more prosperous for as many people as possible.