O/T:- Betting odds for US Election [The USA Politics Thread]

[Lullapie]

‘Illegal’ acts?

Pretty obvious from the information out there that he has committed many illegal acts. He was found guilty and is a convicted felon. He doesnÂ’t care, in his opinion he is untouchable. He glories in what he should be ashamed of (think of what he said he could do to women for instance). Just call everything you donÂ’t like fake (he believes that too).

I donÂ’t believe that the majority who voted for him believe he is the victim of a witch-hunt, rather that they are willing to overlook his misdemeanours because they feel they will be better off under Trump.

Like him or loathe him you canÂ’t argue that he doesnÂ’t say what people like to hear.

I think it is troubling that he will have almost unrestrained power. Much more troubling I think is that Musk has bought his way in to the corridors of power. Makes Lord Alli’s donations etc look like peanuts (Musk donated £92m).

Nice. Just one question, do you believe that an individual using their position of power to authorise the murder of someone, is reason for them to be prosecuted? Yes or no answer please.

Your rant above seems more like a case of TDS to me.

[Lullapie]

I appreciate that "progressives" have to cling to the race card and identity politics for pretty much all they're worth these days, but their problem is that increasing numbers of minority voters are realising that they were/are being used and manipulated, not protected or represented, by a (predominantly white, middle class) liberal left intelligentsia. It turns out that a growing number of people from 'minority backgrounds' are now turned off by being told who to vote for based on, for example, their ethnicity.

How dare a black person like Kemi Badenoch get herself elected leader of the Conservatives?

How dare increasing numbers of (e.g.) Latino/Hispanic/Black voters support Donald Trump, of all people, effectively giving him the big push over the line into the White House?

It's the "black face of white supremacy", as Dawn Butler would say - indeed did say in a tweet that revealed everything about the content of her character. Or to put it another way, minority voters should know their role, much like white working class people should automatically vote Labour. Anybody who doesn't is an idiot or a traitor ... but remember everybody should "be kind".

Of course, people on the right of politics shouldn't complain about such insults from the illiberal left towards what they see as "their" own misbehaving support-base, indeed they should hope it continues, because it's phenomenally effective in convincing increasing numbers of that support base to look elsewhere.

Brilliant post. The left are splitting everyone up into minority groups and then trying to make it appear that they are acting on their behalf. Again, we had five years of this in New Zealand with Jacinda Ardern and her loonie collection of coalition partners. Most people don't care what colour, creed or gender people who act on their behalf are.

Just as an aside, I watched the Kamala Harris final speech and noticed that the majority of the people there listening to her were mainly black people and the majority of these were women. Now, for our resident nutters on here, I'm not saying ALL were black, just the majority. it was the same on the night of the election, when her supporters were waiting for her to come and speak, where she didn't.

To me that shows how divisive the Democrat agenda has been, bearing in mind 69% of the population in the US are white. The left don't act on behalf of the majority or the minority or the few. They act on behalf of themselves, where they think they can find 'cheap' votes.

[Lullapie]

You are right, I am absolutely obsessed with the idea that this was a left-right contest. Like so many others. Thanks for pointing that out.

I agree with a lot of what you've said, but you've missed out a few key points. Trump is more right wing than Biden/Harris when it comes to his views on the size and role of the state and the scope of bureaucracy and regulation. He has a slight libertarian streak in this regard, whereas the Biden/Harris and the Dems instinctively want to control stuff.

Trump threatens, but doesn't always do. He is more intelligent, in my opinion, than most politicians because he knows how to get what he wants and what he wants is what politics throughout the world is lacking - common sense. I am a Libertarian, that's why people like Trump appeal to me.

I reckon, and I've said this before, that the modern day left aren't what us oldies remember. They are agenda and ideology driven. This has pushed them further left around the political spectrum making their policies unworkable - only ideological.

This in turn has left a massive vacuum on the centre-left, which has been filled in the US by the MAGA movement. Republicans like Cheney (and his lovely wife) and the others that jumped ship couldn't care less about workers. They just focus on growing their own personal wealth. They went in balls deep with the party of the billionaires and joined the Democrats.

[Elite_Pie]

Childish. I also am aware that JFK, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and Joe Biden did things while they were in office that were illegal and immoral - I don't wet myself worrying about whether they should be prosecuted or not.

However none of the above would bother you, because there are none so blind as those who will not see.

Double wow! So because some other politicians have done something wrong in the the past, you treat Trump as being in the same bracket. You might have missed it, but Trump was found guilty on 34 counts of felony.

But as you say, there are none so blind as those who will not see!

[magpie_mania]

TDS - is that the best you can come up with? Hardly a rant though.

TDS has been described as using negative cricitism of Trump which is irrational. What is irrational about my post in question?

Regarding your highlighted part, surely you are not expecting me to answer a leading question without being more specific.

[Elite_Pie]

Trump threatens, but doesn't always do. He is more intelligent, in my opinion, than most politicians because he knows how to get what he wants and what he wants.

Does that include "grabbing pu$$y" when he wants?

In your world that probably didn't happen.

[magpie_mania]

Brilliant post. The left are splitting everyone up into minority groups and then trying to make it appear that they are acting on their behalf. Again, we had five years of this in New Zealand with Jacinda Ardern and her loonie collection of coalition partners. Most people don't care what colour, creed or gender people who act on their behalf are.

Just as an aside, I watched the Kamala Harris final speech and noticed that the majority of the people there listening to her were mainly black people and the majority of these were women. Now, for our resident nutters on here, I'm not saying ALL were black, just the majority. it was the same on the night of the election, when her supporters were waiting for her to come and speak, where she didn't.

To me that shows how divisive the Democrat agenda has been, bearing in mind 69% of the population in the US are white. The left don't act on behalf of the majority or the minority or the few. They act on behalf of themselves, where they think they can find 'cheap' votes.

You couldn’t make it up.

You call Elite childish, then refer to those who don’t agree with you as resident nutters!

[Lullapie]

Threatening to freeze people's bank accounts and the loss of their jobs for not wanting to take an experimental gene therapy they don't need is actual fascism.

This was also used to great effectiveness by Justin Trudeau in Ottawa during his Covid mandate battle with Canadians. I tell you, the modern left has gone THAT far left, they have become Fascists.

[Lullapie]

I would add being to susceptible to blatant lies as well as populist arguments.

I'm thinking Brexit as an example.

You see, there is misinformation from both sides, but the left claim that only the right are doing it. It's a ploy to suppress freedom of speech.

Trump spoke about Fake News in 2016 and he has definitely been a massive victim of this ever since. He'd make a 30 minute long speech and next minute a segment of it is all over the mainstream media, pulling one sentence out from his speech saying how everyone should be fearful because he wants to destroy the world - crazy.




Once they get you thinking that the right is spreading lies, then the next step is for the government to tell you, to only believe what they tell you and listen to nobody else.

That would never happen would it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PogISFr5Hg0

[Lullapie]

You couldn’t make it up.

You call Elite childish, then refer to those who don’t agree with you as resident nutters!

I don't call people who don't agree with me 'nutters', I was referring to those that pick one line out of a full paragraph and try and make an argument from it.

Oh, look what you did.