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[Trickytreesreds]

Surely the most salient points of MA’s original comment are his description of the behaviour of these fans…tearing down and burning Palestinian flags, attacking a Muslim taxi driver and indulging in anti Gaza chants. Without defending any of the violence and accepting that I’m sure some on both sides were all too happy to ‘retaliate’, there does, assuming MA’s description to be accurate, appear to be an element of ‘reap what you sow’.

There’s also something ironic about Tricky talking about ‘bile’ and criticising the bringing hatred to the streets of Europe given that he is the greatest peddler of hatred, disharmony and anti Muslim/immigrant bile on this forum.

Went straight over your head didn't it.
Israeli fans came over here and caused football trouble. Muslim immigrants, decide to take the law into their own hands and instead of leaving it to the police, recreate their own version of Nazi Germany.
You defend it all you want
Its serious

[ramAnag]

Went straight over your head didn't it.
Israeli fans came over here and caused football trouble. Muslim immigrants, decide to take the law into their own hands and instead of leaving it to the police, recreate their own version of Nazi Germany.
You defend it all you want
Its serious

Which bit of me saying…‘without defending any of the violence’…didn’t you understand?

Thought you usually castigated Swale for making ‘Nazi’ comparisons.

Still puzzled by Andy’s talk of ‘tactics’ and ‘bias’.

[Andy_Faber]

Still puzzled by Andy’s talk of ‘tactics’ and ‘bias’.

Two different issues, the latter leading onto the former. I don't want this to turn into the usual ping pong so this is my only clarification:

Bias: In his original mesage, MA mentions 'many of the Macabbi fans will have been, or still are, IDF or reservists'. But its an unnecessary description, as MA later admits (almost) all Israelis have to be IDF or reservists, and it colours his report by insinuating that there was some pseudo-military planning involved. Such unnecessary elaboration suggets bias to me, and leads me to doubt the rest of the report. That doesn't mean I have stopped believing anything MA says, far from it, it just sows a seed of doubt in that instance.

Tactic: you tend to respond to a lot of well-thought through well written statements and points of view (lets exclude my ramblings, it relates to thers too) with 'I'm puzzled' or similar phrase, that's just a cheap way of avoiding addressing the original statement. Just IMO

You're right about the Nazi thing by the way, its not just Swale and its a really cheap shot, again just IMO

[ramAnag]

Two different issues, the latter leading onto the former. I don't want this to turn into the usual ping pong so this is my only clarification:

Bias: In his original mesage, MA mentions 'many of the Macabbi fans will have been, or still are, IDF or reservists'. But its an unnecessary description, as MA later admits (almost) all Israelis have to be IDF or reservists, and it colours his report by insinuating that there was some pseudo-military planning involved. Such unnecessary elaboration suggets bias to me, and leads me to doubt the rest of the report. That doesn't mean I have stopped believing anything MA says, far from it, it just sows a seed of doubt in that instance.

Tactic: you tend to respond to a lot of well-thought through well written statements and points of view (lets exclude my ramblings, it relates to thers too) with 'I'm puzzled' or similar phrase, that's just a cheap way of avoiding addressing the original statement. Just IMO

You're right about the Nazi thing by the way, its not just Swale and its a really cheap shot, again just IMO

Hmmm…we’ll have to differ on your interpretation of ‘bias’. A different ‘slant’ I agree but a ‘slant’ based on local knowledge which is often useful imo.

On ‘tactic’ you’re just wrong. I didn’t mention being ‘puzzled’ until after your use of the word ‘tactic’. I said I’m ‘not sure’ how MA’s original statement displayed bias - as I hope I’ve clarified above - so how can it possibly be a way of avoiding the original statement or indeed a ‘tactic’?

‘I’m puzzled’ means precisely what it says…it’s a polite means of requesting clarification and never a tactic to avoid ‘addressing the original statement’. Why would I, or anyone, do that?

[Trickytreesreds]

Which bit of me saying…‘without defending any of the violence’…didn’t you understand?

Thought you usually castigated Swale for making ‘Nazi’ comparisons.

Still puzzled by Andy’s talk of ‘tactics’ and ‘bias’.

But you did, you excused it as a retalitory attack, ignoring the fact it was a police matter to solve.
Want to live in the west? Drop your 3rd world attitudes and normal reactions.
Had that happened here, and the far right had done it, Both you and Swale would have been having kittens
So, you don't think stopping white people in the streets asking for their papers, or chasing jews through the streets yelling anto semitic rhetoric isn't comparable to Nazi Germany?

[ramAnag]

But you did, you excused it as a retalitory attack, ignoring the fact it was a police matter to solve.
Want to live in the west? Drop your 3rd world attitudes and normal reactions.
Had that happened here, and the far right had done it, Both you and Swale would have been having kittens
So, you don't think stopping white people in the streets asking for their papers, or chasing jews through the streets yelling anto semitic rhetoric isn't comparable to Nazi Germany?

I didn’t ‘excuse’ anything at all. I suggested that it seemed likely that individuals on both sides were ‘all too happy’ to ‘retaliate’, meaning, I’m guessing there would be trouble makers on both sides…and there is absolutely nothing in my post to suggest I defended, in any way, ‘stopping white (or indeed any) people in the streets and asking for their papers, or chasing Jews through the street yelling anti semitic rhetoric’.
Suggest you read more carefully and stop clutching at straws by trying to twist my words.

[Trickytreesreds]

I didn’t ‘excuse’ anything at all. I suggested that it seemed likely that individuals on both sides were ‘all too happy’ to ‘retaliate’, meaning, I’m guessing there would be trouble makers on both sides…and there is absolutely nothing in my post to suggest I defended, in any way, ‘stopping white (or indeed any) people in the streets and asking for their papers, or chasing Jews through the street yelling anti semitic rhetoric’.
Suggest you read more carefully and stop clutching at straws by trying to twist my words.

Again you are dodging it.
The Israeli football fans were there to be dealt with by the police. Happy to retaliate shouldn't even be in consideration Live in the west, you abide by its laws. End of.
Again, you are quick out the blocks when blaming the far right,

Again I will say it, Import, en masse a load of cultures that don't integrate and the clashes will surface. This is why right wing parties are rising. Folks are sick to death of it and need someone to speak out for them.

The Amsterdam mayor should resign Weak, and useless

Of course its nice to hear MA's opinion, he lives there. But his opinion, is not the whole story either.
Much as you hate social media, things surface, that the main stream media supress or distort.

Here have a watch , home made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJM_V8jE9mc

This will become the norm in Europe as these cultures clash.

[ramAnag]

Again you are dodging it.
The Israeli football fans were there to be dealt with by the police. Happy to retaliate shouldn't even be in consideration Live in the west, you abide by its laws. End of.
Again, you are quick out the blocks when blaming the far right,

Again I will say it, Import, en masse a load of cultures that don't integrate and the clashes will surface. This is why right wing parties are rising. Folks are sick to death of it and need someone to speak out for them.

The Amsterdam mayor should resign Weak, and useless

Of course its nice to hear MA's opinion, he lives there. But his opinion, is not the whole story either.
Much as you hate social media, things surface, that the main stream media supress or distort.

Here have a watch , home made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJM_V8jE9mc

This will become the norm in Europe as these cultures clash.

Oh God…not more TTRTV that we’re all meant to take as gospel.

I’m ‘dodging’ nothing and I’m not suggesting MA knows the ‘whole story’ either…just a hell of a lot more than you.

Tbh, Tricky…personally all I’m ‘sick to death of’ is you, a Forest fan with a massive anti immigrant/Muslim fixation, repetitively bombarding this (DCFC) forum with your invariably divisive comments which you seek to make more credible via the endless attachment of GBeebie and YouTube clips.

[Trickytreesreds]

Oh God…not more TTRTV that we’re all meant to take as gospel.

I’m ‘dodging’ nothing and I’m not suggesting MA knows the ‘whole story’ either…just a hell of a lot more than you.

Tbh, Tricky…personally all I’m ‘sick to death of’ is you, a Forest fan with a massive anti immigrant/Muslim fixation, repetitively bombarding this (DCFC) forum with your invariably divisive comments which you seek to make more credible via the endless attachment of GBeebie and YouTube clips.

lol, but you demand evidence to any claims?
Your denial to a problem that is right under your nose, never mind Europe astounds me.
The Christmas markets are up and armed police are out, I wonder why|? Are they fearful of a Sikh or Buddist attack?

Here's a video for you , that HAS GONE TO THE POLICE, of why this is happening and why Jews are bricking it.

https://www.facebook.com/10002412345...41507174698114

Or will you do your ostrich impression of denial and get some therapy for the trauma Trump has caused you