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    Quote Originally Posted by drillerpie View Post
    If anything it makes it easier for Trump. If he wanted to allow the use of these weapons in Russia the decision has already been taken and he can just leave it there without it being an escalation.

    If he wants to remove the permission he'll be seen as de-escalating.

    I don't understand your position on this. Do you think America shouldn't help Ukraine defend itself in any meaningful way, but somebody else should? Or nobody should and we should just let Russia do what it wants there?
    I think the best way forward is to find a solution for both parties that's better than either a perpetual war of attrition or a major global conflict. That means both sides will have to concede something they want, but it's better than the alternatives. There's no easy way out of this, so I prefer the one that ends it sooner, with the least loss of life.

    As the great Tony Benn said, war is the ultimate failure of diplomacy. The way forward is more diplomacy, more talks, and hopefully some kind of agreement. Controversial, I know, but I think that's better than launching missiles into Russian territory at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slack_pie View Post
    I think the best way forward is to find a solution for both parties that's better than either a perpetual war of attrition or a major global conflict. That means both sides will have to concede something they want, but it's better than the alternatives. There's no easy way out of this, so I prefer the one that ends it sooner, with the least loss of life.

    As the great Tony Benn said, war is the ultimate failure of diplomacy. The way forward is more diplomacy, more talks, and hopefully some kind of agreement. Controversial, I know, but I think that's better than launching missiles into Russian territory at this point.
    Of course there needs to be an end to the conflict, what can prolonging it possibly gain? Biden needs stopping now before any more damage is done. I don't care if he supposedly represents the 'left', in fact, I don't believe that for a minute. There is nothing left-wing about starting wars. He represents globalism and big business interests.

    It's almost as if he's taking his last chance to make an impact, but do we want a senile old man making these decisions, or rather being too feeble to stand up to those behind him who are pushing him to go further? I have no faith in Starmer to do anything other than tag along either. It's a pity the likes of Tony Benn aren't around anymore to rein him in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohinen View Post
    Of course there needs to be an end to the conflict, what can prolonging it possibly gain? Biden needs stopping now before any more damage is done. I don't care if he supposedly represents the 'left', in fact, I don't believe that for a minute. There is nothing left-wing about starting wars. He represents globalism and big business interests.

    It's almost as if he's taking his last chance to make an impact, but do we want a senile old man making these decisions, or rather being too feeble to stand up to those behind him who are pushing him to go further? I have no faith in Starmer to do anything other than tag along either. It's a pity the likes of Tony Benn aren't around anymore to rein him in.
    Which wars did Biden start?

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