O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[Mapperleypie]

So we've got people denying "Non-crime hate" investigations are happening and that people are being sent to prison for social media posts. Wow.


Stage 1 - It's not happening

Stage 2 - It is happening but it's only extremists, this doesn't impact on normal people in any way

Stage 3 - Yes it is happening but it's a good thing

Stage 4 - The people complaining about it are just as bad and need to be dealt with

First they came for the rioters that set fire to hotels housing foreign people and I did not speak out because I was not a rioter setting fire to hotels housing foreign people.

Then they came for those spreading racist disinformation to incite violence and I did not speak out because I was not a racist spreading disinformation to incite violence

Then they came for those in contempt of earlier court orders having previously admitted spreading disinformation about a child in order to incite racial hatred and I did not speak out because I was not in contempt of court having earlier spread disinformation about a child in order to incite racial hatred.

Scary times indeed.

[Med Pie]

having previously admitted spreading disinformation about a child in order to incite racial hatred a[/B]nd I did not speak out because I was not in contempt of court having earlier spread disinformation about a child in order to incite racial hatred.

Scary times indeed.

Can you clarify to what and whom you refer?

If by any chance it's Tommy Robinson, he did not admit to spreading misinformation about any child or children, quite the opposite in fact. He did plead guilty to contempt of court because on the facts, it's was undeniable but he absolutely, sticks by the information he made public in his banned, film.

His film btw, had been shown in America, was and still is AFAIK, viewable on Youtube, a situation outside his control.

His film, revolved around hidden microphone recordings of people in the school system, I won't go further, I want to be at the game on Saturday.

[upthemaggies]

First they came for the rioters that set fire to hotels housing foreign people and I did not speak out because I was not a rioter setting fire to hotels housing foreign people.

Then they came for those spreading racist disinformation to incite violence and I did not speak out because I was not a racist spreading disinformation to incite violence

Then they came for those in contempt of earlier court orders having previously admitted spreading disinformation about a child in order to incite racial hatred and I did not speak out because I was not in contempt of court having earlier spread disinformation about a child in order to incite racial hatred.

Scary times indeed.

Typical stage 2 reply.

[upthemaggies]

The case of Liverpool ****ager Chelsea Russell in 2018 for example should have applied the breaks. She was arrested, given a community order and had to pay a fine to a "victim" who had reported her to the police for posting rap song lyrics on instagram in tribute to a boy killed in a road traffic accident. A ban and the closing of her account by instagram may have been justified, but something like that has no business in a court of law.

What is the direction of travel here?
People defending this actually think they are the good guys, it's unreal.

[BigFatPie]

The case of Liverpool ****ager Chelsea Russell in 2018 for example should have applied the breaks. She was arrested, given a community order and had to pay a fine to a "victim" who had reported her to the police for posting rap song lyrics on instagram in tribute to a boy killed in a road traffic accident. A ban and the closing of her account by instagram may have been justified, but something like that has no business in a court of law.

What is the direction of travel here?
People defending this actually think they are the good guys, it's unreal.

Well if a fairly ridiculous case from 6 years ago and a different government doesn?t convince you the rozzers are about to kick your doors in nothing will.

[upthemaggies]

and a different government .

Yes indeed, and the next Tory government. This is no left v right issue.

Whitney Webb.... "For all the people that still cheerlead for Javier Milei (Argentina), any comments on how his government has created a security agency to implement AI-driven "pre-crime"? Please explain to me how this is "libertad carajo", thanks.
For those that don't know, pre-crime was technically legalized under the last Trump administration via former AG Bill Barr. (Policy was continued and arguably expanded under Biden). JD Vance's benefactor Peter Thiel has major ties to firms seeking to implement pre-crime in the US, incl Palantir and the Thiel and Epstein-funded Carbyne"

[slack_pie]

Yes indeed, and the next Tory government. This is no left v right issue.

Whitney Webb.... "For all the people that still cheerlead for Javier Milei (Argentina), any comments on how his government has created a security agency to implement AI-driven "pre-crime"? Please explain to me how this is "libertad carajo", thanks.
For those that don't know, pre-crime was technically legalized under the last Trump administration via former AG Bill Barr. (Policy was continued and arguably expanded under Biden). JD Vance's benefactor Peter Thiel has major ties to firms seeking to implement pre-crime in the US, incl Palantir and the Thiel and Epstein-funded Carbyne"

I think the Milei story is a bit overblown. Every government monitors social media and online activities to identify those planning to engage in crime or terrorist activities. There are watchlists, and if police or security services believe they have sufficient evidence to move, they will do so before a crime is committed, with charges of "conspiracy to commit XYZ". It sounds very Orwellian, but I'd imagine AI is much more efficient at monitoring large amounts of online activity than humans. I'd imagine most countries already use algorithms in this case.

There are obvious risks that it could be abused by the state and that people would be afraid to speak their minds about anything, but hopefully that isn't the case. You'd think a libertarian would be less likely to oppress people via state apparatus than other politicians, but I guess we'll see. Power corrupts and all that.

[Notsohumblepie]

First they came for the rioters that set fire to hotels housing foreign people and I did not speak out because I was not a rioter setting fire to hotels housing foreign people.

Then they came for those spreading racist disinformation to incite violence and I did not speak out because I was not a racist spreading disinformation to incite violence

Then they came for those in contempt of earlier court orders having previously admitted spreading disinformation about a child in order to incite racial hatred and I did not speak out because I was not in contempt of court having earlier spread disinformation about a child in order to incite racial hatred.

Scary times indeed.

As you insist on parodying Martin Niemoller, perhaps you should look at a few more of his more profound utterances

"Dear brother, fellow man, Jew, before you say anything, I say to you: I acknowledge my guilt and beg you to forgive me and my people for this sin.?

Perhaps the police should read this before the regular London Saturday Mob Fest