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[Lullapie]

Ok so Ukraine gives up land, are they then free to join the EU or NATO or does Russia dictate that also.
Ukraine is a sovereign country. I can see resistance movements forming because this is what happens when land is lost. Which would give Putin an excuse to move further into Ukraine.

I don't think Ukraine will ever join NATO. In my opinion, Zelenskyy goading Russia by threatening it in the first place was the whole cause of the current crisis.

EU? Maybe, but that wouldn't bother Russia.

I fully agree with the resistance thing. However, that would be more likely if Ukraine surrendered, which I don't think would ever either. I feel it will be a negotiated ceasefire and then an uneasy peace for a few years.

If it was negotiated, the question would be, who would fund the resistance? There would be many ex-pat Ukrainians who'd send money over, but it's not the same as in the Middle East, where Iran funds anybody and everybody who is anti-US or anti-Israel. If a separate state backed a resistance, it would soon be put down by Russia and the US (if the US were part of the ceasefire agreement).

Interesting times.....

[Elite_Pie]

In my opinion, Zelenskyy goading Russia by threatening it in the first place was the whole cause of the current crisis.

So this "current crisis" (I think you mean war) is the fault of Zelenskyy rather than Putin?

Your posts on this topic are becoming increasingly bizarre.

[Lullapie]

So this "current crisis" (I think you mean war) is the fault of Zelenskyy rather than Putin?

Your posts on this topic are becoming increasingly bizarre.

I think both countries are partly to blame.

As an aside, who would you blame for the first World War? Kaiser Wilhelm? Or was it more the tensions between the countries in Europe at the time and the treaties and alliances that pulled everyone into it.

Was Hitler personally to blame for the second World War - nothing to do with his rise to power having anything to do with how the Germany was treated at Versailles or the German peoples' desire to pay back the Allies for how they were treated? Was Hirohito to blame for the war in the Pacific. Bit of a pattern emerges, where every other country is at fault, but not the one you support.

One of things in history that you learn, is that generally, we don't learn from history. There is no one cause of conflict and where soldiers are eventually sent in, is normally at the latter part, but not the end, of the conflict.

It's a very simplistic view blaming Putin, but if that's how you roll - then so be it.

[Elite_Pie]

I think both countries are partly to blame.

As an aside, who would you blame for the first World War? Kaiser Wilhelm? Or was it more the tensions between the countries in Europe at the time and the treaties and alliances that pulled everyone into it.

Was Hitler personally to blame for the second World War - nothing to do with his rise to power having anything to do with how the Germany was treated at Versailles or the German peoples' desire to pay back the Allies for how they were treated? Was Hirohito to blame for the war in the Pacific. Bit of a pattern emerges, where every other country is at fault, but not the one you support.

One of things in history that you learn, is that generally, we don't learn from history. There is no one cause of conflict and where soldiers are eventually sent in, is normally at the latter part, but not the end, of the conflict.

It's a very simplistic view blaming Putin, but if that's how you roll - then so be it.

As I said, your posts on this thread are becoming increasingly bizarre. After being a Putin apologist you now appear to be a Hitler apologist.

Do you think Hitler's actions were justified because of the reasons you gave?

[Lullapie]

As I said, your posts on this thread are becoming increasingly bizarre. After being a Putin apologist you now appear to be a Hitler apologist.

Do you think Hitler's actions were justified because of the reasons you gave?

Childish..........I'm an apologist for nobody, but as I said, you obviously need to make things simple for yourself to understand.

You used to be someone who I thought debated well, but who I disagreed with. A bit like Sid, god bless his soul.

However, you're just argumentative now, with no substance.

[Mud Pie]

Childish..........I'm an apologist for nobody

and yet EVERYTHING you post at GREAT length on here apologizes for the actions of Putin and Trump (and now Hitler. Is there a theme?).

Begs the question, if you're not an apologist, then what is an apologist?

[Elite_Pie]

Childish..........I'm an apologist for nobody, but as I said, you obviously need to make things simple for yourself to understand.

You used to be someone who I thought debated well, but who I disagreed with. A bit like Sid, god bless his soul.

However, you're just argumentative now, with no substance.

I regard you having a low opinion of me as a positive!

[MarcusCole]

Childish..........I'm an apologist for nobody, but as I said, you obviously need to make things simple for yourself to understand.

You used to be someone who I thought debated well, but who I disagreed with. A bit like Sid, god bless his soul.

However, you're just argumentative now, with no substance.

As some one has pointed out there is a historical precedent not to prosecute a sitting president. Also the charges have been dropped without prejudice which means the case can be picked up again when he gets back into office.

The charges are all garbage but you are reading too much into it.

[Lullapie]

As some one has pointed out there is a historical precedent not to prosecute a sitting president. Also the charges have been dropped without prejudice which means the case can be picked up again when he gets back into office.

The charges are all garbage but you are reading too much into it.

Correct. The DoJ has definitely said that the charges could be resurrected, but it's highly unlikely as there's too many variables:

1. Statute of Limitation
2. The next US government actually being a Democrat one
3. Trump pardoning himself
4. The new administration strengthening the law to prevent past Presidents being indicted

[BigFatPie]

So this "current crisis" (I think you mean war) is the fault of Zelenskyy rather than Putin?

Your posts on this topic are becoming increasingly bizarre.

Increasingly??!