Quote Originally Posted by drillerpie View Post
Because Russia has done a tremendous PR job, especially in the alternative media space.

I'm surprised the fact that alternative / MAGA / heterodox / IDW (however you want to describe them) podcasters like Dave Rubin and Tim Pool take large amounts of money from anyone, let alone Russia, hasn't created more noise. Their reason for being is that they are supposed to give an honest assessment unlike the corrupt corporate media.

But anyway, in the alternative media space Putin is just doing what nature intended, the Dems are the real warmongers, something something NATO and if we stop sending weapons to Ukraine there will be no more homeless people.
I can't agree with any of that. It sounds like an anti-Trump rant again. Are you seriously saying that only the right are peddling propaganda and the left is as clean as a whistle?

Both sides sell misinformation. Recent history shows that there has been more world conflict under a Democrat government than a Republican one.

NATO is nothing without the US, so if the US stop funding NATO, what happens? Bugger all really, unless all the others that are sat on the gravy train step up, pay their way and supply the munitions and forces to police the world.


Can you point to any conflict in the last 50 years where sending in more and more weapons has provided a solution? Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Laos, Cambodia, Iran, Somalia - to name the more common ones. I can only think of one 'success' with what happened in the Balkans and only then because the US led allies bombed the hell out of Belgrade and didn't supply any arms to the Bosnians or Croatians.

An Indian friend of mine once said to me that when the British go into a country they leave a political infrastructure behind that can carry on on its own. When the Americans go into a country, they just leave desolation.

With 2024 glasses on, I realise that all the British did wasn't PC or on the side of human rights, but in the day, it was a tried and trusted process.