O/T:- Betting odds for US Election [The USA Politics Thread]

[Lullapie]

I appreciate we are merely onlookers but the US are (whether we like it or not) the leaders of the free world and all that entails, and Trump has turned it into a cesspool.

He made a few mistakes with his administration first time around but he is a very clever bloke. He isn't making the same mistakes again. He was undermined by the US Civil Service from 2016 and so this time he is getting rid of career Civil Servants, who have never had a job in the real world and bringing in people he can trust.

He is trying to resurrect a meritocracy rather than the technocracy that is currently in place. He's not alone, many countries are moving that way - not the UK though, but many other countries are.

You should rise through the ranks on your ability, not because you have the 'right' name, or went to the 'right' university, or progress through term of service.

This is how the word is upside down. To me, from a working class family, I want the ability to better myself. A technocracy prevents that. A technocracy enforces a form of caste system, that you can't rise through.

As an aside, good news out of the Middle East as a ceasefire is on the horizon. Nothing to do with the fact that the political onus has changed since the US election in the Middle East, I'm sure.

Hamas will have to cede many of the things that they have insisted on and territory lost, but they have been abandoned by many of their supporters in the Middle East since the US election.

[Mud Pie]

He made a few mistakes with his administration first time around but he is a very clever bloke.

apologist

[upthemaggies]

He made a few mistakes with his administration first time around but he is a very clever bloke. He isn't making the same mistakes again.

I wish I shared your confidence.
Beware a "limited hangout" regards safety of the you know what and the promise that lessons have been learned and that next time it'll be perfectly safe.

[Lullapie]

I wish I shared your confidence.
Beware a "limited hangout" regards safety of the you know what and the promise that lessons have been learned and that next time it'll be perfectly safe.

It's not really confidence , Trump was relatively successful during his first term. The fact that once he won his second term, the stock market rocketed shows what the money men (and women) believe he can do with the economy.

I once said on here, that if Trump found a cure for cancer, there would still be many that would berate him. It's astounding the negativity from the British media towards him and of course, that transposes to people's views. I think that says more about the media than anything. The same media that covered up for Joe Biden when everyone who wasn't one-eyed could see for years about his decline. The same media that touted Kamala Harris as the great hope for the world.

Surely there comes a time when people question what they are being fed?

[Jampie]

It's not really confidence , Trump was relatively successful during his first term. The fact that once he won his second term, the stock market rocketed shows what the money men (and women) believe he can do with the economy.

Already trumpistanis taking credit for the Biden economy. Look at the year to date graphs. After a short election bump (normal for elections) it's back to trend. What is trump taking the credit for there?

What were his first term successes. What were his economic policies that were successful and what did they achieve?

I once said on here, that if Trump found a cure for cancer, there would still be many that would berate him. It's astounding the negativity from the British media towards him and of course, that transposes to people's views. I think that says more about the media than anything. The same media that covered up for Joe Biden when everyone who wasn't one-eyed could see for years about his decline. The same media that touted Kamala Harris as the great hope for the world.

Surely there comes a time when people question what they are being fed?

Every single commercial news outlet, including the Murdoch ones you seem oddly aligned to, is a propaganda outlet for their owners. Every last one.

Most of the government funded ones are too.

[Elite_Pie]

You should rise through the ranks on your ability, not because you have the 'right' name, or went to the 'right' university.

Funny, I never had you down as an Angela Rayner fan.

[Jampie]

He made a few mistakes with his administration first time around but he is a very clever bloke. He isn't making the same mistakes again. He was undermined by the US Civil Service from 2016 and so this time he is getting rid of career Civil Servants, who have never had a job in the real world and bringing in people he can trust.

He is trying to resurrect a meritocracy rather than the technocracy that is currently in place. He's not alone, many countries are moving that way - not the UK though, but many other countries are.

You should rise through the ranks on your ability, not because you have the 'right' name, or went to the 'right' university, or progress through term of service.

This is how the word is upside down. To me, from a working class family, I want the ability to better myself. A technocracy prevents that. A technocracy enforces a form of caste system, that you can't rise through.

As an aside, good news out of the Middle East as a ceasefire is on the horizon. Nothing to do with the fact that the political onus has changed since the US election in the Middle East, I'm sure.

Hamas will have to cede many of the things that they have insisted on and territory lost, but they have been abandoned by many of their supporters in the Middle East since the US election.

I have seen no evidence that he's clever. Cunning, yeah. A solid con-man (the greatest in history perhaps) but not particularly bright at all.

I agree he will have learned from last time though. If he a pulls a Jan 6 again, for sure he will stack the Pentagon first. I expect him to deal with the military's lack of personal loyalty to him early on.

But a meritocracy? The guy inherited his wealth and then spectacularly mismanaged it. He is the least representative of meritocracy of any name I could think of. He isn't your champion, that's another of his cons. People like him (generational wealth) are holding people like us back.