Election Year or Fear!

[Trickytreesreds]

Don’t have to shout and I’m guessing you’ll be suggesting ‘immigration’ for a change. In truth that’s just one of many reasons.

Yes its one of the reasons. How about you try listing some more, then we can look at the reasons Europe is leaning right.

NB, Le Penn was nobbled in France by the parties, not the electorate.

[ramAnag]

Yes its one of the reasons. How about you try listing some more, then we can look at the reasons Europe is leaning right.

NB, Le Penn was nobbled in France by the parties, not the electorate.

Off the top of my head and not just in Europe but the West as a whole, although it clearly varies from country to country, I?d say the top ten issues are, in no particular order; the cost of living/economic uncertainty, food and fuel security, climate change, immigration, distribution of wealth (the rich are getting richer while the poor are getting poorer), impact of AI on employment, affordability and availability of housing, health care provision, proximity of war/NATO v Russia and political corruption/greed.

[Andy_Faber]

All you?re really seeing is yet another example of the level of polarisation that exists within so many major western nations at the moment, eg France, Germany, the USA and, to a lesser extent (at least on the evidence of the last GE) the UK and that has to be a concern.

A concern to some, a much needed shaking up of a world that's drifting towards madness to others.

[ramAnag]

A concern to some, a much needed shaking up of a world that's drifting towards madness to others.

I think the increasing level of polarisation must be viewed as a concern whichever way you look at it.
As for shaking up a world that’s drifting towards madness, I honestly can’t see how the likes of Putin and Trump represent anything other than egotistical and narcissistic madness and please note that Farage seems to admire the former and have befriended the latter.

[Trickytreesreds]

A concern to some, a much needed shaking up of a world that's drifting towards madness to others.

That was more my leaning on it Andy.
In the UK we have just had aTory party that welched on its promises and did the opposite of what it said you was voting for.
The current Labour party is no different and that manifesto he waved around all the time, needs hanging on a piece of string in the Kharzi.

Its the same all over Europe, lies and not doing whats right for the electorate or a country nationally.
No one voted for it all to be tipped on its head, yet the political elite think they can and will

So, right wing parties are listening and folks are giving them support.
You'd think after whats just happened in America, that message would be sinking in by now, but oh no.

Yes I bang on about immigration, but it has a wide spread knock on effect of your main reasons.
On one side of the fence, you had Merkel and the EU opening the doors wide open. To other countries, refusing to be bullied into submission because they don't want their culture contaminated/ruined. Sweden for example was the model of ideallic living 20 years ago. Its now the rape/gun capital of Europe.

Lets look at RA's list
Cost of living? Doesn't help the average person seeing all the tax money being sent abroad/ or spent on illegal and legal immigrants.
Food /fuel/climate change? You mean the ever increasing prices on things that could be cheaper if the Green madness was kept in check and forcing everyone to pay more for it?
Immigration- as said before- services over load/housing overload/ crime/ ethnic frictions/quality of life/health
Distribution of wealth? The very people creaming it, & the puppets in government for them
AI? naaaaaw, doesn't even make the list on the average persons gripes
Housing / health covered? Serious lack of planning/ broken promises/ coupled with supply and demand when people are coming in faster than anything you can deal with.
War NATO? Yep, serious mis management of government all over Europe and looking weak in Putins eyes, despite provoking him
Political corruption/greed. Can't argue with that one. All piss in the same pot

Net result, folks are not taking the ****/lies anymore. They want whats better for them first and if the current crop of politicians won't supply it, they will find someone who will.

Just to highlight the point. 20 000 of the channel crossings have been on Starmers watch. All his guff about smash the gangs/stop the boats are being laughed at. He hasn't the will nor desire to do anything in reality.
He needs to unwrap ECHR law from British law, before he can. He won't do it. So folks get angrier.

Europe needs a good hard think about what its doing, as folks are definitely siding up to parties who will listen to them and one day, it will kick them in the nuts

[Trickytreesreds]

I think the increasing level of polarisation must be viewed as a concern whichever way you look at it.
As for shaking up a world that’s drifting towards madness, I honestly can’t see how the likes of Putin and Trump represent anything other than egotistical and narcissistic madness and please note that Farage seems to admire the former and have befriended the latter.

Farage admires the former?
Now tell the whole forum what he really said and not just the Nick Clegg slur

[Andy_Faber]

I think the increasing level of polarisation must be viewed as a concern whichever way you look at it.
As for shaking up a world that?s drifting towards madness, I honestly can?t see how the likes of Putin and Trump represent anything other than egotistical and narcissistic madness and please note that Farage seems to admire the former and have befriended the latter.

I don't mean that sort of madness rA, I mean the sort of madness that makes normal people think twice before putting one foot in front of the other

[SithHappens]

Apparently best mates, Trump, Farage and Putin are forming a pop group, they have bought the rights to the name Fun Boy Three.....Looking forward to the release of 'The Lunatics"

[ramAnag]

That was more my leaning on it Andy.
In the UK we have just had aTory party that welched on its promises and did the opposite of what it said you was voting for.
The current Labour party is no different and that manifesto he waved around all the time, needs hanging on a piece of string in the Kharzi.

Its the same all over Europe, lies and not doing whats right for the electorate or a country nationally.
No one voted for it all to be tipped on its head, yet the political elite think they can and will

So, right wing parties are listening and folks are giving them support.
You'd think after whats just happened in America, that message would be sinking in by now, but oh no.

Yes I bang on about immigration, but it has a wide spread knock on effect of your main reasons.
On one side of the fence, you had Merkel and the EU opening the doors wide open. To other countries, refusing to be bullied into submission because they don't want their culture contaminated/ruined. Sweden for example was the model of ideallic living 20 years ago. Its now the rape/gun capital of Europe.

Lets look at RA's list
Cost of living? Doesn't help the average person seeing all the tax money being sent abroad/ or spent on illegal and legal immigrants.
Food /fuel/climate change? You mean the ever increasing prices on things that could be cheaper if the Green madness was kept in check and forcing everyone to pay more for it?
Immigration- as said before- services over load/housing overload/ crime/ ethnic frictions/quality of life/health
Distribution of wealth? The very people creaming it, & the puppets in government for them
AI? naaaaaw, doesn't even make the list on the average persons gripes
Housing / health covered? Serious lack of planning/ broken promises/ coupled with supply and demand when people are coming in faster than anything you can deal with.
War NATO? Yep, serious mis management of government all over Europe and looking weak in Putins eyes, despite provoking him
Political corruption/greed. Can't argue with that one. All piss in the same pot

Net result, folks are not taking the ****/lies anymore. They want whats better for them first and if the current crop of politicians won't supply it, they will find someone who will.

Just to highlight the point. 20 000 of the channel crossings have been on Starmers watch. All his guff about smash the gangs/stop the boats are being laughed at. He hasn't the will nor desire to do anything in reality.
He needs to unwrap ECHR law from British law, before he can. He won't do it. So folks get angrier.

Europe needs a good hard think about what its doing, as folks are definitely siding up to parties who will listen to them and one day, it will kick them in the nuts

You asked for a list and I provided one, then you don’t like it but at least don’t just reply with rubbish.

All the tax money isn’t sent abroad and spent on immigrants is it? That’s complete nonsense even by your standards.
Green Madness - you’re denying climate change again - then?
Immigration? We all know it’s an issue that needs joined up international thought. No one has denied that.
Distribution of wealth. You’re not saying anything new.
The effect of AI on jobs hasn’t been thought through and does have consequences for the average person.
Housing and health. Apart from unfairly blaming migrants again you’re again saying nothing new.
War/NATO and political corruption. Again you’ve nothing to add but all these issues are as important as your pet one and your beloved right has no solutions.

As regards Farage, happy to repeat what he said. He stated that he disliked Putin as a person (I doubt they’ve ever met) but that he admired the way he controlled Russia. So, as I said, admiring Putin and befriending Trump doesn’t exactly inspire confidence does it?

[ramAnag]

I don't mean that sort of madness rA, I mean the sort of madness that makes normal people think twice before putting one foot in front of the other

Sorry, that needs further explanation.