Ok, not football at all, but it matters, eventually.

[Billyni]

I thought that too Oz, I thought Australia had a pretty tight immigration? I?m surprised.

I thought you needed to have a job organised and access to a certain amount of money.

[ozleeds]

I thought you needed to have a job organised and access to a certain amount of money.

No as long as you can prove you have money to look after yourself you can come in while students get easy visas. Look if you have 15k here you go to an office pay it and instantly you have a wife from Philippines without doing anything yourself. Like I said before money is the only tool you need and not much off it.

[spaldy]

MT, Oz,

learned a little on this. Kind of fascinating and it's not an "exact number or science" for countries. They all have various "waiver or Temp visa programs so it kind of skews the numbers. You would think that adding legal citiizens would be a kind of "exact science" kind of thing. Especially when they can track a sick cow across the country years later but can't seem to count people correctly.

Of course, the US is not included in any of this. They let it somewhere between 8-21,000,000 immigrants with no vetting at all. Many from countries that have non favored nation status with us (enemies). What could possibly go wrong with that approach.

It is interesting to note that there are quite a few countries where no one is trying to immigrate too.

[ozleeds]

MT, Oz,

learned a little on this. Kind of fascinating and it's not an "exact number or science" for countries. They all have various "waiver or Temp visa programs so it kind of skews the numbers. You would think that adding legal citiizens would be a kind of "exact science" kind of thing. Especially when they can track a sick cow across the country years later but can't seem to count people correctly.

Of course, the US is not included in any of this. They let it somewhere between 8-21,000,000 immigrants with no vetting at all. Many from countries that have non favored nation status with us (enemies). What could possibly go wrong with that approach.

It is interesting to note that there are quite a few countries where no one is trying to immigrate too.

Of course where would criminals go for easy dollars. Uk Au America Canada so on they wouldn't go to china or pacific islands or russia. The other thing locals talk about is bringing only professional people to meet declining supply because they don't teach the people that live there so most of us leave school without any skills. So this is where the problem is. Professional people bring in kids. i mean Lebanese are all over Au although there parent's came here to escape we know what and good intentional, there kids are a different story they work together to create criminal networks and get taught to hate westerners that are trying to give them a better life. We have our neighbors from New Zealand being the poorer sister come here in droves and run all the bike gangs full of illegal activities. Than they have a soft heard and bring in all this Africans trying to help them and once again it's not the parents but there kids choosing the crime life like back in there country instead the harder way of working for a living and doing something with there life's. Asians on the other hand work hard take all the westerners jobs buy up all the housing and send all the funds back to there own country. I'm sure it's something similar to you guys in your own countries even little Greece is coping it from all fronts.
I love watching futuristic shows and movies and as I watch I think to myself how Earth going to become a wasteland? Than a look at Gaza Ukraine Africa and troubles in Asia and middle east and I say to my self f we are not so far from it.
Anyway I hope I'm wrong and a doomsayer and This time of the season wake up in the New year and everything is fine, I hope so anyway.