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[Andy_Faber]

Not sure how percentages can be "infinitely too high on both counts". A percentage is merely the proportion of the whole that a particular attribute represents. Thus by definition the sum of said percentages will always total 100% regardless of the number of incidents involved eg if there were 4 total incidents then 3 would be Islamic using your 75/25 hypothesis: the same split would apply if 4000 total incidents of which 3000 Islamic.

that was sort of my point. And that's either because the originator (in this case because you wrote it rA, but I'm trying not to single you out, I'm trying to make a more general point because this comes up ALL the time) is being lazy in use of the word 'infinitely', OR because the originator is attempting to apportion blame/responsibility equally at the 75% and the 25% which is either (again) laziness regarding basic understanding of quantity impacts, OR a desire to underplay those impacts despite understanding them.. If you're making a purely arithmetical point GP, sorry

[ramAnag]

that was sort of my point. And that's either because the originator (in this case because you wrote it rA, but I'm trying not to single you out, I'm trying to make a more general point because this comes up ALL the time) is being lazy in use of the word 'infinitely', OR because the originator is attempting to apportion blame/responsibility equally at the 75% and the 25% which is either (again) laziness regarding basic understanding of quantity impacts, OR a desire to underplay those impacts despite understanding them.. If you're making a purely arithmetical point GP, sorry

Really can’t be bothered to enter into the minutiae of GP’s arithmetic which helps not one jot. The point was that if MI5 are spending so much of their time watching out for Islamic extremists and right wing extremists it’s a sad state of affairs, especially at a time when both Russia and China also pose greater threats to our security than has been the case for a while.

I genuinely don’t understand your other point, AF. 1) I’m not the originator, the DG of MI5 is, that’s where the description of the 75%-25% split originated and I’m struggling to think of anyone better informed. 2) I only referenced the split and quoted Sir Ken because, yet again TTR tried to slip through another lie/exaggeration by saying that 95% of MI5’s watchlist was taken up with followers of Islam.

That isn’t true, according not to me but to someone who should know. The truth is that 75% of their watchlist is concerned with Islamic extremists and if we’re just going to accept such huge inaccuracies/exaggerations as having any credibility then it calls into question the validity of any debate on here.

[Andy_Faber]

Really can’t be bothered to enter into the minutiae of GP’s arithmetic which helps not one jot.

I have to share the lol at that bit of Abbotism

The point was that if MI5 are spending so much of their time watching out for Islamic extremists and right wing extremists it’s a sad state of affairs, especially at a time when both Russia and China also pose greater threats to our security than has been the case for a while.

That's MI6

If you read back carefully, I was SUPPORTING you by accepting the 75% figure, albeit the originator of that is almost certainly generalising, there is an 'other' category he has missed.

[ramAnag]

Andy, as regards post 2395 and your accusation of ‘Abbotism’. I do actually know very little about MI5 and MI6. Quite willing to accept that, but so, it seems, should you.
You’re right, M16 concerns itself with activities abroad but, to quote Sir Ken McCallum again, ‘MI5 (that’s 5!) has a hell of a job on its hands because Russian intelligence has been on a mission to generate sustained mayhem on British and European streets.
Maybe not such an lol then, well not at me anyway.
I’ll give the other matter some thought and get back to you.