O/T:- Trump Presidency 2.0 [hic sunt dracones]

[Lullapie]

Originally Posted by Jampie View Post
You aren't wrong at all, you are completely correct.

Both the left and right of politics have actually shifted to the right during past decade or two. Those in the murdoch press bubble now routinely flag moderate left or even moderate right politicians, political views and civilians as "far left". It's complete nonsense, no matter how many times they repeat it.

Wanting companies to pay tax is a moderate view, not far left.

Wanting healthcare for the public is a moderate view, not far left.

Wanting companies to obey laws is a moderate view, not far left.

Wanting democratic norms is a moderate view, not far left.

Wanting to counter a dictator who invades his democratic neighbours is a moderate view, not far left.



The problem with your comments is that I believe you tell a few porkies. We had a robust discussion on here a few months ago and you started out by saying that you were a businessman. I've met many 'businessmen' in my life and deal with many day to day. I also owned a business in the UK for 20 years before emigrating. I've never heard any businessman be so 'socialistic' in their views as yourself.

They are more based on ideology than entrepreneurialism.


All of the above you have stated is what all 'moderate' people would want. I believe that everybody on here is moderate in general but YOU'RE language, in my opinion, is very left-wing.

What about wanting a social welfare or health system that isn't being abused and therefore available to all when needed?
What about ensuring that EVERYBODY pays their correct share of tax?
What about ALL individuals obeying laws?
What about ensuring that ALL countries, irrespective of who their leaders are, stick to their legal and predefined borders?

With regards to your business interests, were you the tour manager for Chumbawumba?

[Jampie]

Originally Posted by Jampie View Post
You aren't wrong at all, you are completely correct.

Both the left and right of politics have actually shifted to the right during past decade or two. Those in the murdoch press bubble now routinely flag moderate left or even moderate right politicians, political views and civilians as "far left". It's complete nonsense, no matter how many times they repeat it.

Wanting companies to pay tax is a moderate view, not far left.

Wanting healthcare for the public is a moderate view, not far left.

Wanting companies to obey laws is a moderate view, not far left.

Wanting democratic norms is a moderate view, not far left.

Wanting to counter a dictator who invades his democratic neighbours is a moderate view, not far left.



The problem with your comments is that I believe you tell a few porkies. We had a robust discussion on here a few months ago and you started out by saying that you were a businessman. I've met many 'businessmen' in my life and deal with many day to day. I also owned a business in the UK for 20 years before emigrating. I've never heard any businessman be so 'socialistic' in their views as yourself.

They are more based on ideology than entrepreneurialism.

I've known plenty of people right across the political spectrum who are in business. Yeah the top end of town tends to be dominated by right wing people (self interest can be self-reinforcing up there), but holding left wing views doesn't lock you out of any career or business in and of themselves.

Your worldview always strikes me as incredibly narrow. You seem to live in a bubble where you only communicate with like-minded people.

All of the above you have stated is what all 'moderate' people would want. I believe that everybody on here is moderate in general but YOU'RE language, in my opinion, is very left-wing.

What about wanting a social welfare or health system that isn't being abused and therefore available to all when needed?
What about ensuring that EVERYBODY pays their correct share of tax?
What about ALL individuals obeying laws?
What about ensuring that ALL countries, irrespective of who their leaders are, stick to their legal and predefined borders?

With regards to your business interests, were you the tour manager for Chumbawumba?

Those are all moderate views as well IMO. Wanting business to pay tax does not somehow preclude wanting individuals to pay it. But when you have massive multinationals paying next to nothing and individuals lumping in almost half in some cases, obviously the system needs work.

I don't work in the music industry, no.

[Elite_Pie]

Your worldview always strikes me as incredibly narrow. You seem to live in a bubble where you only communicate with like-minded people.

Lullapie has repeatedly told us that he's very well travelled, has a very wide circle of friends, and has met thousands of people from many countries and all walks of life. It seems there's very little he hasn't done.

It's probably just coincidence that every one of those people always agree with his views!

[drillerpie]

Trunpnis walking back his tariffs pledge. This dropped an hour ago:

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/...s-yet-b9c8378d

And as if by magic, look what has happened to the dollar.

As i was saying before, tariffs are inflationary, and not having them means the Fed are less likely to raise rates. Dollar wasn't strong in homage to a great leader.

[SwalePie]

Trunpnis walking back his tariffs pledge. This dropped an hour ago:

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/...s-yet-b9c8378d

And as if by magic, look what has happened to the dollar.

As i was saying before, tariffs are inflationary, and not having them means the Fed are less likely to raise rates. Dollar wasn't strong in homage to a great leader.

Yep. Just watched the dollar fall off a small clifflet vs. Sterling from 1:15pm GMT costing me about a penny per dollar. Thanks Don

[Old_pie]

Yep. Just watched the dollar fall off a small clifflet vs. Sterling from 1:15pm GMT costing me about a penny per dollar. Thanks Don

I don't pretend to understand how the markets work but my wife and my portfolios are up 2% since the first week of the month. That should cover the cost of a new bathroom swmbo desires.

I watched a bit of the inaugauration and the first 5mins of Trump's "put america first", "reclaim our borders", "make america great again" whilst he disparaged much that had happened under the Biden administration. Now how don't know how much wa right or wrong but what grated was the utter lack of class in the way he trashed his predecessor. His actions seemed built along the same lines as Hamas parading their weapons as the ceasefire was introduced. No decorum whatsover. But my money has gone up so I suppose I should be pleased, for the time being at least.

[magpie_mania]

I don't pretend to understand how the markets work but my wife and my portfolios are up 2% since the first week of the month. That should cover the cost of a new bathroom swmbo desires.

I watched a bit of the inaugauration and the first 5mins of Trump's "put america first", "reclaim our borders", "make america great again" whilst he disparaged much that had happened under the Biden administration. Now how don't know how much wa right or wrong but what grated was the utter lack of class in the way he trashed his predecessor. His actions seemed built along the same lines as Hamas parading their weapons as the ceasefire was introduced. No decorum whatsover. But my money has gone up so I suppose I should be pleased, for the time being at least.

Decorum? He does not care.

Just listened to a bit of his speech. Sounds like he is making it up as he goes. Still trashing Biden and everything he did.

Says he is going to release the J6 hostages (around 600 were charged with attacking law enforcement officers) but also said how great the law enforcement officers are.

Still, there will be no crime and no inflation.

[Lullapie]

I don't pretend to understand how the markets work but my wife and my portfolios are up 2% since the first week of the month. That should cover the cost of a new bathroom swmbo desires.

I watched a bit of the inaugauration and the first 5mins of Trump's "put america first", "reclaim our borders", "make america great again" whilst he disparaged much that had happened under the Biden administration. Now how don't know how much wa right or wrong but what grated was the utter lack of class in the way he trashed his predecessor. His actions seemed built along the same lines as Hamas parading their weapons as the ceasefire was introduced. No decorum whatsover. But my money has gone up so I suppose I should be pleased, for the time being at least.

I don't think Biden deserves any respect. Even some of the Democrat Hardcore are saying he could be the worst President the US has ever had and they have a few to choose from. Jimmy Carter must be up there.

Some of his last minute pardons etc. that he has made along with attempting to scupper a smooth transition would have had many of the usual crew on here wetting themselves with anger if Trump would have done the same.

I remember friends in the US telling me after the 2016 election, the reason why Trump won wasn't because of his performance or because of the dislike to Hillary Clinton, but because of Barack Obama.

He was detested by many Americans, but outside of America, was held up like the Holy Grail of what a perfect President should be like. They said that Trump offered something different to the norm of the politicians looking after their own.

Biden has taken the US back to those old days where the President was more about his own than the many.

Obama to many Brits, was the same as Thatcher to the Americans.

[Lullapie]

Yep. Just watched the dollar fall off a small clifflet vs. Sterling from 1:15pm GMT costing me about a penny per dollar. Thanks Don

It happened last time too. Money floods into the US, because of Trump being voted in and the Democrats being kicked out. Then the markets think, f&%k! will he or won't he?

They don't like uncertainly do the markets and they don't like it up 'em.

Don't panic!

[OchPie]

What about wanting a social welfare or health system that isn't being abused and therefore available to all when needed?

The actual definitions of "abused", "available to all" and "when needed" vary enormously across the political spectrum in the UK.

I think most people believe in the overall principle of some kind of social safety net, but whether that should give someone a life or merely keep them alive is a matter of considerable debate, even now.