Ok, not football at all, but it matters, eventually.

[spaldy]

You do realize that their is no such thing as an undocumented immigrant? It's a term created to hide the the fact they are all criminals. US law clearly states that any anyone entering the country without a legally issued visa or passport is an Illegal and subject to arrest and deportation. They are aliens since they were not born in the US or in a US territory.

Not opposed to legal immigration but strongly opposed to illegal aliens invading our country. I do understand your position. Your love for big corporations, croney captitalists and top down government control matches up perfectly with bringing in a bunch of illegal aliens and exploiting them for cheap labor, disposable and unsafe jobs, maids, nannys, gardeners and *** trafficing and drug running. They are the perfect work animals so that the elite don't have to soil themselves with illegal, banal or menial tasks.

You can word smith it anyway you wish. A bank robber is not an undocumented withdrawer. The fact is that they are here against the law.
Only the congress can change US immigration policy not some corrupt and senile old politician. He had not authority to let in 11 million unvetted illegal aliens.

I'm always amazed at people like you that can't seem to understand a country without borders is not a country. It's more like a tribal society like afghanistan or angola. Frankly, if you can convince enough people to let in anyone you want without vetting you are welcome to do in in the UK. However, you really might want to stay out of telling other countries how to run themselves. From what I see in the news your immigration system doesn't seem to be a model that others want to follow... unless you are a groomer.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Our immigration rules have been a mess for years Spaldy and even where rules exist it?s an entirely different matter of enforcing them.

It is interesting to see the stance of many so called liberal countries such as Denmark and Sweden who are taking a much harder line - somewhat successfully and removing the attractions of moving there.

France, Italy and the UK are a little overwhelmed by the influx over the last 10 to 20 years and often don?t have the infrastructure and resources to deal with influxes in such huge numbers.

It doesn?t seem to matter much what the political persuasion of government in the UK there has been a seeming inability to understand concerns of existing citizens, an inability to deal with the problem and an unwillingness to have a proper debate.

The current administration at times just brands anyone who raises a concern as being a far right racist. We are increasingly behaving in a way and writing cheques we can no longer afford.

The danger of just borrowing more and more is that government appears to then not be that bothered about balancing the books. The sadness being that the poorest are often then affected the most as governments can?t then afford to provide the basis services people pay their taxes for.

I suspect it?s going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

There was an interesting project New Labour did in Africa about 2000 where they invested in the local economy and provided funding and training to make the country better and as a result the economy and security improved and people didn?t want to leave as much.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

In case you were wondering the country is Sierra Leone ?.

[WTF11]

You do realize that their is no such thing as an undocumented immigrant? It's a term created to hide the the fact they are all criminals. US law clearly states that any anyone entering the country without a legally issued visa or passport is an Illegal and subject to arrest and deportation. They are aliens since they were not born in the US or in a US territory.

Not opposed to legal immigration but strongly opposed to illegal aliens invading our country. I do understand your position. Your love for big corporations, croney captitalists and top down government control matches up perfectly with bringing in a bunch of illegal aliens and exploiting them for cheap labor, disposable and unsafe jobs, maids, nannys, gardeners and *** trafficing and drug running. They are the perfect work animals so that the elite don't have to soil themselves with illegal, banal or menial tasks.

You can word smith it anyway you wish. A bank robber is not an undocumented withdrawer. The fact is that they are here against the law.
Only the congress can change US immigration policy not some corrupt and senile old politician. He had not authority to let in 11 million unvetted illegal aliens.

I'm always amazed at people like you that can't seem to understand a country without borders is not a country. It's more like a tribal society like afghanistan or angola. Frankly, if you can convince enough people to let in anyone you want without vetting you are welcome to do in in the UK. However, you really might want to stay out of telling other countries how to run themselves. From what I see in the news your immigration system doesn't seem to be a model that others want to follow... unless you are a groomer.

"Your love for big corporations, croney captitalists and top down government...." WTF? You know next to nothing about me, save for the brief details I gave of US businesses that I worked with, and from that you conclude the above?

And........

"From what I see in the news your immigration system doesn't seem to be a model that others want to follow... unless you are a groomer"".

So you resort to the same disgusting and totally unfounded accusations others have used before, because you don't agree with my views an opinions about completely unrelated matters.

Speaks volumes for the kind of "discussion" that will ensue in the future and the "thinking" that underpins it when Tump (and Musks) "ambitions" for the US start to bear the rotten fruit they are destined to. Chickens will come home to roost, big time.

Don't bother replying. This "dialogue" has shown I'm definitely in the wrong place, and no, I won't step back in when the opportunity to say "I told you so" presents itself as it surely will. I'm sure I won't be missed.