DFCSS Fans Rep Update

[islaydarkblue]

Just happened to access this thread, God knows how I did it, but Jdfc still posts on here, and I wonder if he still feels that DFCSS had duped him, and why he feels that way.

There would still be a DFCSS fans rep (Primary representative) on the Dundee FC board of directors if the Dee4life board of directors had a replacement immediately in place to take Brian Lawrence?s place after he resigned as the DFCSS fans rep on 1st April 2017.

[BCram]

There would still be a DFCSS fans rep (Primary representative) on the Dundee FC board of directors if the Dee4life board of directors had a replacement immediately in place to take Brian Lawrence?s place after he resigned as the DFCSS fans rep on 1st April 2017.

I had thought that it might be possible to help Dee4life current Board to clear up their relationship with the supporters. It's handy to have someone who has a memory for detail,and maybe something can be done to help Dee4life

I think we are better to have an orga inaction like Dee4life, but imo, it needs more members.

[islaydarkblue]

I had thought that it might be possible to help Dee4life current Board to clear up their relationship with the supporters. It's handy to have someone who has a memory for detail,and maybe something can be done to help Dee4life

I think we are better to have an orga inaction like Dee4life, but imo, it needs more members.

I heard that at the Dee4life AGM on Saturday 1st February 2025 a member stated that he was a trade union member who had experience as a mediator in his work.
This member stated that he was prepared to help mediate to get the Dee4life board of directors a meeting with John Nelms.
A couple of former Dee4life directors explained to this member the problems the Dee4life board of directors have had to trying to get a meaningful meeting with John Nelms who will not discuss meaningful questions from Dee4life.
John Nelms was happy to have meetings with the DSA as they were only interested in getting tickets for their members for Away games and other minor matters.
This member was not aware about the past difficulties and it is also likely that he was unaware that John Nelms who signed the letter Dundee FC Limited stated that the nomination of Kenny Valentine as the Dee4life primary representative on the Dundee Football Club Limited board of directors was a hostile act.
In my opinion the Dee4life board of directors need to get their new website up to date with all the minutes of previous board of directors meetings from their previous website published in the Members section of the new Dee4life website.
This would let all the Dee4life members and particularly new members read about all the problems the Dee4life board of directors have had since 1st April 2017 getting their primary representative elected on the Dundee Football Club Limited board of directors for starters.

[BP33]

I heard that at the Dee4life AGM on Saturday 1st February 2025 a member stated that he was a trade union member who had experience as a mediator in his work.
This member stated that he was prepared to help mediate to get the Dee4life board of directors a meeting with John Nelms.
A couple of former Dee4life directors explained to this member the problems the Dee4life board of directors have had to trying to get a meaningful meeting with John Nelms who will not discuss meaningful questions from Dee4life.
John Nelms was happy to have meetings with the DSA as they were only interested in getting tickets for their members for Away games and other minor matters.
This member was not aware about the past difficulties and it is also likely that he was unaware that John Nelms who signed the letter Dundee FC Limited stated that the nomination of Kenny Valentine as the Dee4life primary representative on the Dundee Football Club Limited board of directors was a hostile act.
In my opinion the Dee4life board of directors need to get their new website up to date with all the minutes of previous board of directors meetings from their previous website published in the Members section of the new Dee4life website.
This would let all the Dee4life members and particularly new members read about all the problems the Dee4life board of directors have had since 1st April 2017 getting their primary representative elected on the Dundee Football Club Limited board of directors for starters.

Why should an organisation with less than 500 members have a seat on the DFC board?

[Deeranged]

Why should an organisation with less than 500 members have a seat on the DFC board?

Because that was what was agreed at the time FPS took over and they're legally obliged to allow it. Might only be 500 or so but it's 500 or so Dundee fans.

How many Dundee fans does John Nelms represent? Two? Three? None?

[BP33]

Because that was what was agreed at the time FPS took over and they're legally obliged to allow it. Might only be 500 or so but it's 500 or so Dundee fans.

How many Dundee fans does John Nelms represent? Two? Three? None?

If that was agreed, why have Dee4life not taken it further. Was it a legal agreement?

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If that was agreed, why have Dee4life not taken it further. Was it a legal agreement?

The requirement for two representatives of Dee4Life to sit on the board is in the club's Articles Of Association which is a binding document under company law. Islay will know more abut that.

Dee4L is currently a very weak organisation which doesn't want to rock the boat further than it already is rocking. Therefore they do not challenge JN on anything, they seem to believe they'll get more response from him by Kow Towing and talking; despite the fact that he won't talk to them. JN has rejected a proposal of a primary representative stating that it was an act of aggression (or something) and they just backed down.

I actually agree with them not taking any direct legal action since it would just create bad feeling with the members and the wider support. It would also strengthen the position of the DSA who can do no wrong in JN's eyes.

[islaydarkblue]

Why should an organisation with less than 500 members have a seat on the DFC board?

Why should the DSA have meetings and a preferential position in Dundee Football Club despite only donating ?8,000 per annum to the Club.
In the year ending 31st May 2024 Dee4life donated ?4,131.60 to Dundee Football Club and Nelms still refuses to have a meeting with the Dee4life board of directors.

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I heard that at the Dee4life AGM on Saturday 1st February 2025 a member stated that he was a trade union member

That alone makes the person completely unsuitable to have any involvement in DFCSS.

[islaydarkblue]

That alone makes the person completely unsuitable to have any involvement in DFCSS.

I agree but he may have had previous experience with ACCAS.
I still think that the best way for Dee4life to try to get new members is to explain that Dee4life speaks for all Dundee FC supporters whilst the DSA Committee are only interested in looking after their affiliated Dundee FC supporters clubs and no one else.