DFCSS Fans Rep Update

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I heard that at the Dee4life AGM on Saturday 1st February 2025 a member stated that he was a trade union member

That alone makes the person completely unsuitable to have any involvement in DFCSS.

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That alone makes the person completely unsuitable to have any involvement in DFCSS.

I agree but he may have had previous experience with ACCAS.
I still think that the best way for Dee4life to try to get new members is to explain that Dee4life speaks for all Dundee FC supporters whilst the DSA Committee are only interested in looking after their affiliated Dundee FC supporters clubs and no one else.

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I agree but he may have had previous experience with ACCAS.
I still think that the best way for Dee4life to try to get new members is to explain that Dee4life speaks for all Dundee FC supporters whilst the DSA Committee are only interested in looking after their affiliated Dundee FC supporters clubs and no one else.

We wouldn't want trouble making, self serving, communist union members negotiating on our behalf. That just makes absolutely no sense to anyone.

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We wouldn't want trouble making, self serving, communist union members negotiating on our behalf. That just makes absolutely no sense to anyone.

This seems to me to be a bit of an overreaction, Deeranged. IMO Dee4Life has not managed to build any consensus around how to help John Nelms to see that actually working with Dee4Life would be better for him, than his current approach. Maybe someone who has practical experience of working in just such an adversarial environment might have something worth listening to?

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This seems to me to be a bit of an overreaction, Deeranged. IMO Dee4Life has not managed to build any consensus around how to help John Nelms to see that actually working with Dee4Life would be better for him, than his current approach. Maybe someone who has practical experience of working in just such an adversarial environment might have something worth listening to?

Just because someone has had a union sponsored course on negotiating it doesn't make them a good negotiator. Just like the ones that get union sponsored HSW course and who then try to tell the company NEBOSH qualified HSE expert that they know more than them.

In case it isn't clear I'll clarify that I hate unions and don't understand anyone giving them any time of day. If Dee4L announced that they'd brought someone from a union negotiating background in to speak to JN on their behalf I'd immediately cancel my membership.

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Just because someone has had a union sponsored course on negotiating it doesn't make them a good negotiator. Just like the ones that get union sponsored HSW course and who then try to tell the company NEBOSH qualified HSE expert that they know more than them.

In case it isn't clear I'll clarify that I hate unions and don't understand anyone giving them any time of day. If Dee4L announced that they'd brought someone from a union negotiating background in to speak to JN on their behalf I'd immediately cancel my membership.

i take it you will be happy to hand back all the extra holidays and working conditions to all your previous employers that you have worked for? then get all the bairns back up the chimneys and off to work in the local factory,ffs B! i will give you one thing that in all my experience the way i see it is that alot of higher up reps and management appear very very similar,without all the hard work put in by the proper union guys in the last century and before then the workplace would be a much much darker place

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i take it you will be happy to hand back all the extra holidays and working conditions to all your previous employers that you have worked for? then get all the bairns back up the chimneys and off to work in the local factory,ffs B! i will give you one thing that in all my experience the way i see it is that alot of higher up reps and management appear very very similar,without all the hard work put in by the proper union guys in the last century and before then the workplace would be a much much darker place

You're comparing the 21st century working conditions with 19th century conditions there. The unions didn't create the technology that could make the workplace better however it was management that provided the investment to utilise it.

You've no idea of my work history but I'll tell you I'm 62, have always worked since leaving school (bar three weeks between leaving the RAF and starting a new job) at 16 and I've worked for three years total in a workplace that had union representation. During that three years conditions on the shop floor worsened due to the insistence on collective bargaining which resulted in less competent workers earning the same as more competent workers, this in turn resulted in less work being done done because the more competent workers refused to carry the less competent ones. I got tae feck out of there at the first opportunity I can tell you.

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I agree but he may have had previous experience with ACCAS.
I still think that the best way for Dee4life to try to get new members is to explain that Dee4life speaks for all Dundee FC supporters whilst the DSA Committee are only interested in looking after their affiliated Dundee FC supporters clubs and no one else.

But DSA claim X number members because they claim the members of their affiliated clubs as members of DSA despite the vast majority of those individuals having next to no interest in the DSA and, let's be honest, the vast majority of them having no interest in their clubs except when it's time for the ticket con.

John Nelms buys into all of the DSA lies unfortunately.

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But DSA claim X number members because they claim the members of their affiliated clubs as members of DSA despite the vast majority of those individuals having next to no interest in the DSA and, let's be honest, the vast majority of them having no interest in their clubs except when it's time for the ticket con.

John Nelms buys into all of the DSA lies unfortunately.

John Nelms has stated that the DSA have about 6,000 members which is more people than attend most home games at Dens Park.
Nelms must be including all the members of the Friends of Dundee FC Facebook group who do not pay a membership fee when they become a member. There are a number of members of the Friends of Dundee FC Facebook group who are also a member of a DSA affiliated supporters club.
Several new Dundee FC Supporters clubs were admitted to become DSA affiliated supporters club at the DSA AGM on 31st August 2024.
I do not know the exact number of DSA affiliated supporters clubs but I think that it is around 36 with some having a handful of paid up members up to the ?big? supporters clubs having about 150 paid up members.

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John Nelms has stated that the DSA have about 6,000 members which is more people than attend most home games at Dens Park.
Nelms must be including all the members of the Friends of Dundee FC Facebook group who do not pay a membership fee when they become a member. There are a number of members of the Friends of Dundee FC Facebook group who are also a member of a DSA affiliated supporters club.
Several new Dundee FC Supporters clubs were admitted to become DSA affiliated supporters club at the DSA AGM on 31st August 2024.
I do not know the exact number of DSA affiliated supporters clubs but I think that it is around 36 with some having a handful of paid up members up to the ?big? supporters clubs having about 150 paid up members.

I'd estimate that well over 50% of the fans attending home games have no affiliation to DSA. Of those that do have that affiliation I'd estimate that less than 25% will have any interest in the machinations of DSA. The vast, vast majority of members of Supporters' Clubs just won't care that membership of that club includes a levy to DSA to maintain the club's affiliation.

6,000 is a fantasy land 'membership' number to quote and I find it absolutely ridiculous, verging on gullible, that JN gives any credence to this number. Reality is that the DSA has 36 (if that number's correct) member club not 6,000 'members'. On top of the Facebook thing there will also be people who are members of multiple DSA affiliated clubs so some could be counted three or more times in the La La Land 6,000.

Dundee FC has around 4,000 season ticket holders most of whom can't get tickets for big games, the Queens Park game for example, because non season ticket holding DSA affiliates who attend twice a season are before them in the queue - scandalous. The club's focus as regards its customers is miles off.