DFCSS Fans Rep Update

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I agree but he may have had previous experience with ACCAS.
I still think that the best way for Dee4life to try to get new members is to explain that Dee4life speaks for all Dundee FC supporters whilst the DSA Committee are only interested in looking after their affiliated Dundee FC supporters clubs and no one else.

We wouldn't want trouble making, self serving, communist union members negotiating on our behalf. That just makes absolutely no sense to anyone.

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We wouldn't want trouble making, self serving, communist union members negotiating on our behalf. That just makes absolutely no sense to anyone.

This seems to me to be a bit of an overreaction, Deeranged. IMO Dee4Life has not managed to build any consensus around how to help John Nelms to see that actually working with Dee4Life would be better for him, than his current approach. Maybe someone who has practical experience of working in just such an adversarial environment might have something worth listening to?

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This seems to me to be a bit of an overreaction, Deeranged. IMO Dee4Life has not managed to build any consensus around how to help John Nelms to see that actually working with Dee4Life would be better for him, than his current approach. Maybe someone who has practical experience of working in just such an adversarial environment might have something worth listening to?

Just because someone has had a union sponsored course on negotiating it doesn't make them a good negotiator. Just like the ones that get union sponsored HSW course and who then try to tell the company NEBOSH qualified HSE expert that they know more than them.

In case it isn't clear I'll clarify that I hate unions and don't understand anyone giving them any time of day. If Dee4L announced that they'd brought someone from a union negotiating background in to speak to JN on their behalf I'd immediately cancel my membership.

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Just because someone has had a union sponsored course on negotiating it doesn't make them a good negotiator. Just like the ones that get union sponsored HSW course and who then try to tell the company NEBOSH qualified HSE expert that they know more than them.

In case it isn't clear I'll clarify that I hate unions and don't understand anyone giving them any time of day. If Dee4L announced that they'd brought someone from a union negotiating background in to speak to JN on their behalf I'd immediately cancel my membership.

i take it you will be happy to hand back all the extra holidays and working conditions to all your previous employers that you have worked for? then get all the bairns back up the chimneys and off to work in the local factory,ffs B! i will give you one thing that in all my experience the way i see it is that alot of higher up reps and management appear very very similar,without all the hard work put in by the proper union guys in the last century and before then the workplace would be a much much darker place

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i take it you will be happy to hand back all the extra holidays and working conditions to all your previous employers that you have worked for? then get all the bairns back up the chimneys and off to work in the local factory,ffs B! i will give you one thing that in all my experience the way i see it is that alot of higher up reps and management appear very very similar,without all the hard work put in by the proper union guys in the last century and before then the workplace would be a much much darker place

You're comparing the 21st century working conditions with 19th century conditions there. The unions didn't create the technology that could make the workplace better however it was management that provided the investment to utilise it.

You've no idea of my work history but I'll tell you I'm 62, have always worked since leaving school (bar three weeks between leaving the RAF and starting a new job) at 16 and I've worked for three years total in a workplace that had union representation. During that three years conditions on the shop floor worsened due to the insistence on collective bargaining which resulted in less competent workers earning the same as more competent workers, this in turn resulted in less work being done done because the more competent workers refused to carry the less competent ones. I got tae feck out of there at the first opportunity I can tell you.

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You're comparing the 21st century working conditions with 19th century conditions there. The unions didn't create the technology that could make the workplace better however it was management that provided the investment to utilise it.

You've no idea of my work history but I'll tell you I'm 62, have always worked since leaving school (bar three weeks between leaving the RAF and starting a new job) at 16 and I've worked for three years total in a workplace that had union representation. During that three years conditions on the shop floor worsened due to the insistence on collective bargaining which resulted in less competent workers earning the same as more competent workers, this in turn resulted in less work being done done because the more competent workers refused to carry the less competent ones. I got tae feck out of there at the first opportunity I can tell you.

ironically il be 62 this year also
i too have worked since leaving school
1st 2 years were in the office at sidlaw,no union to speak off
then at a transport firm for 2 years where i got done over and was introduced to Harry McLevy,of the aeu who not only got me my job back but also learned me alot of what is still with me today,
believe me and i hope you will agree that without guys like him there would still be a chance we would still still be getting dragged into machinery by the hair as was the case in the 19th century.

however whilst in the cwu the majority of reps were spot on there was a few sewer rats who wouldv have drank their own piss before putting out a fire,on that front i wish to say our resident on here cwu guy was worth his weight in gold and to this day goes out his way to try and make a difference,and thats a fact

as i said up above B i agree once the union ladder gets climbed above a certain level then in some cases values go straight oot the windee unfortunately

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ironically il be 62 this year also
i too have worked since leaving school
1st 2 years were in the office at sidlaw,no union to speak off
then at a transport firm for 2 years where i got done over and was introduced to Harry McLevy,of the aeu who not only got me my job back but also learned me alot of what is still with me today,
believe me and i hope you will agree that without guys like him there would still be a chance we would still still be getting dragged into machinery by the hair as was the case in the 19th century.

however whilst in the cwu the majority of reps were spot on there was a few sewer rats who wouldv have drank their own piss before putting out a fire,on that front i wish to say our resident on here cwu guy was worth his weight in gold and to this day goes out his way to try and make a difference,and thats a fact

as i said up above B i agree once the union ladder gets climbed above a certain level then in some cases values go straight oot the windee unfortunately

Maybe I was unlucky in that my only, fairly brief, encounter with a union involved what you refer to as 'sewer rats' on the shop floor, people more interested in the time off that the position entailed than helping any of their members.

I guess different paths lead in different directions and it's good that Harry McLevy, who I don't know, was of help to you. I have heard of decent union officials, just never met one.