O/T And we wonder why we trust Starmer

[frogmiller]

My opinion on why the war should keep going is because Russia has invaded an independent sovereign country. The same as if France invaded the UK and occupied Kent. So you would just negotiate and be happy to let them keep Kent as long as they stopped fighting?

Do you think it is justifiable then that Putin, out of dislike for the orange revolution, internal political struggles in Ukraine or Ukraine's move for NATO membership, as well as those of it's neighbours Finland and Sweden, is entitled to actually invade another country? He is absolutely justified to be angry about it, be fearful of the US who we all know have acted appalingly on many international stages (I was brought up on Pilger and Chomsky, doesn't mean I completely agree with all they say), but the crux is that Ukraine is an independent operator and is entitled to make her own choices surely?

I gave you a list of things that may have upset Putin.

Who do you think runs the Ukraine now? Has sovereign land been sold off?

[frogmiller]

I thought the left were anti war 😂

[frogmiller]

Do you think that Starmer should put British boots on the ground ragingpup or should I say anymore boots on the ground.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Do you think that Starmer should put British boots on the ground ragingpup or should I say anymore boots on the ground.

We have no firkin boots and sending a gunboat up the river went out with Queen Victoria. The MoD is a mess

[ragingpup]

I thought the left were anti war 😂

Very droll, but not sure it's a left position when the likes of Pritti Patel is supporting Starmer's position of keeping ground forces in Ukraine as an option. I think we all share the same ground that we want the war to stop, the fundamental difference seems to be that I (and probably the majority of UK people) don't think it can be achieved whilst Russian forces occupy a part of the Ukraine against the country's democratic wishes. Whereas you seem to share Trump's delusion that you can strike a deal with Russia to stop hostilities without Ukraine's agreement.

(If it turns out that somehow, Trump can strike a deal with Putin that involves the full withdrawal of Russian troops, then I would hugely respect and support Trump for that. This isn't about hating on the man for dogmatic reasons)

[frogmiller]

Very droll, but not sure it's a left position when the likes of Pritti Patel is supporting Starmer's position of keeping ground forces in Ukraine as an option. I think we all share the same ground that we want the war to stop, the fundamental difference seems to be that I (and probably the majority of UK people) don't think it can be achieved whilst Russian forces occupy a part of the Ukraine against the country's democratic wishes. Whereas you seem to share Trump's delusion that you can strike a deal with Russia to stop hostilities without Ukraine's agreement.

(If it turns out that somehow, Trump can strike a deal with Putin that involves the full withdrawal of Russian troops, then I would hugely respect and support Trump for that. This isn't about hating on the man for dogmatic reasons)

Pritti Patel?

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/stoc...an-ukraine-war