O/T And we wonder why we trust Starmer

[howdydoo]

Since when has any independent nation been prevented from pursuing its own interest simply because its neighbour doesn't like it? No-one has really answered this. You want to have a go?

Many times. It's called war.

Let the negotiations take a year but FFS stop the killing now.

The US public don't have the appetite for this war and Trump can do what he likes. Pointless criticising him like Zelensky and European leaders are doing. They are playing into Putins hands.

Putin doesn't care about sacrificing his soldiers and Trump has no intention of overseeing any US soldier losing 1 drop of blood.

Who's going to fight Putin with Ukraine? Are we happy our young people could be potentially sacrificed and killed?

[ragingpup]

Many times. It's called war.

Let the negotiations take a year but FFS stop the killing now.

The US public don't have the appetite for this war and Trump can do what he likes. Pointless criticising him like Zelensky and European leaders are doing. They are playing into Putins hands.

Putin doesn't care about sacrificing his soldiers and Trump has no intention of overseeing any US soldier losing 1 drop of blood.

Who's going to fight Putin with Ukraine? Are we happy our young people could be potentially sacrificed and killed?

I don't think anyone is happy about it and hopefully joined up European opposition allies can join with trump in pursuading Putin to withdraw from Ukraine, so it won't come to it. Seems to me if one nation invades another, we either join together using collective armed forces to meet the force with opposition, or we just look away and allow a nation to be taken by force in part at first but history tells us that such manouvres don't end there. We'll have to disagree, I think Europe should collectively stand up to Putin, and to be honest Russia's military capabilities are not strong, struggling even to hold onto what it has against the Ukranian forces. I understand the argument against it but I think the 1939 comparison holds as does the reason NATO was formed - if a democratic nation is invaded, collective force should be used to overcome it to avoid it escalating further.