Election Year or Fear!

[Andy_Faber]

Agree with you here MA and so inferentially with Tricky. I'm becoming increasingly concerned by the irrational double standards being imposed under the toolmakers boy.

Add me to that list. I?m concerned enough about it personally to have quit as moderator of a fb group (sport based!) where it?s proved difficult to filter out political / anti establishment comments. It?s all getting a bit 1984 as I?ve intimated before

[MadAmster]

So, the latest tirade from Fartface is that the the Trade deal the US has jointly with Canada and Mexico is bad for the USA and CanMex have been taking advantage of the USA. He says he can't imagine why any US President would sign such a bad deal.

The current deal was signed in 2018 and amended in 2019. The US signatory to the deal and the amendments? Donald J Feckin Trump, that's who.

[SithHappens]

https://news.sky.com/video/donald-tr...tform-13317247

Seriously even the most hardened Trump supporter must be concerned by this. It really is hilarious, and what's with the bearded belly dancers.

The bit where he's mauling a half naked dancer is probably quite accurate though.

[ramAnag]

https://news.sky.com/video/donald-tr...tform-13317247

Seriously even the most hardened Trump supporter must be concerned by this. It really is hilarious, and what's with the bearded belly dancers.

The bit where he's mauling a half naked dancer is probably quite accurate though.

You really couldn?t make it up?and yet! Is it hilarious?or terrifying in its lunacy? I thought it was a spoof but no?the POTUS has actually produced this.

[MadAmster]

Looking at the steps he's taking to put all the power in his own hands, is it slowly eroding the chance that he loses the midterms taking that power away again?

Worrying times.

[SithHappens]

You really couldn?t make it up?and yet! Is it hilarious?or terrifying in its lunacy? I thought it was a spoof but no?the POTUS has actually produced this.

Funny yes, but as you say it's scary too.

[ramAnag]

Add me to that list. I?m concerned enough about it personally to have quit as moderator of a fb group (sport based!) where it?s proved difficult to filter out political / anti establishment comments. It?s all getting a bit 1984 as I?ve intimated before

I suppose it’s inevitable that it gets ‘a bit 1984’ given the societal/communication/surveillance changes that have taken place in the last 20 years or so, possibly surpassing the Orwellian vision from 75 years ago.
There are obvious dangers in the policing of what people sometimes say/write and sometimes things will be handled badly, as they always have been in other aspects of law enforcement. Mistakes are made.
On the other hand there is plenty of anti-government chat on forums such as this and I doubt anyone fears prosecution, and in the case of those who used the internet to incite violence and hatred such as was seen during last summer’s riots…I’m all for them being held to account.

[swaledale]

Seems that the trend nowadays is that talking about doing something is more of a crime than actually doing it, even if there is no mens rea. Not condoning Wilson's comments but .....

Mm but if nothing is done to those who repeatedly make such comments, and then later these same people actually do something terrible, then the same people moaning about "free speech" will be moaning that the Police did nothing when they knew he /she had made such comments.

I'd be very wary of believing some of the **** that's online and in the media re these cases, there are plenty of examples where the Daily fail or Torygrpah, Mirror, Sun BBC Gbeebies et al have deliberately misrepresented such cases as to exclude the salient facts which led to the action, focussing solely on what may have been said/posted.

There is a lot of either careless misreporting, or in many cases deliberate misreporting in order to suit a particular agenda, its a common trick of those on the right, but used by people and politicians of all persuasions. Regrettably much of this misinformation is also repeated on here as gospel by certain individuals - which immediately means I question their judgement and credibility, because its actually not that hard to verify the facts of what's being reported, it just takes time and of course the inclination to do so.

So it might "seem" but in reality it isn't more of a crime to do something than to actually do it, which if you had thought for one moment you'd know.

Obviously the major perpetrator of this guff, is our "Red friend" but then he just repeats what he has heard or seen on various dubious media or online sources that align with his prejudices.

[swaledale]

I suppose it’s inevitable that it gets ‘a bit 1984’ given the societal/communication/surveillance changes that have taken place in the last 20 years or so, possibly surpassing the Orwellian vision from 75 years ago.
There are obvious dangers in the policing of what people sometimes say/write and sometimes things will be handled badly, as they always have been in other aspects of law enforcement. Mistakes are made.
On the other hand there is plenty of anti-government chat on forums such as this and I doubt anyone fears prosecution, and in the case of those who used the internet to incite violence and hatred such as was seen during last summer’s riots…I’m all for them being held to account.

Its a myth spread by those who know its a myth, but would like to create the impression it isn't. Its clear that there a number of the population who seem to believe these myths and half truths, but that merely demonstrates a lack of ability or willingness to actually verify the facts.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Swale - "So it might "seem" but in reality it isn't more of a crime to do something than to actually do it, which if you had thought for one moment you'd know."

Erm, right? Interesting perspective?