O/T:- Trump Presidency 2.0 [hic sunt dracones]

[drillerpie]

There will be disagreements with any project that requires international cooperation, but to me (a non expert) a European army has many more things going for it than against it.

In fact I’d say it is pretty much inevitable now that the US is at best an unreliable ally.

Sending people to die is the most ethically complex and controversial project imaginable. Plus Orban will just veto everything involving action against Putin. And you can't not have a veto on military action. I just can't see it personally.

If it gets to the point where pretty much everyone agrees, as they do now, then the main countries will come together to act anyway, as they have done now. To be honest, this European response is a few years too late but looks pretty good. Starmer in the middle of it doing pretty decent work as well.

[BigFatPie]

Sending people to die is the most ethically complex and controversial project imaginable. Plus Orban will just veto everything involving action against Putin. And you can't not have a veto on military action. I just can't see it personally.

If it gets to the point where pretty much everyone agrees, as they do now, then the main countries will come together to act anyway, as they have done now. To be honest, this European response is a few years too late but looks pretty good. Starmer in the middle of it doing pretty decent work as well.

But if the UK was involved wouldnt it require a whole new set of treaties/agreements outside of the EU framework? So possibly no need for either a veto or Hungarian cooperation at all?