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[ramAnag]

So you dismiss a lovely, hard-working woman with an experience-based insight as racist, people with your mentality who pull the racist card at the slightest excuse really cause more harm than good. She isn?t suggesting that NHS are prioritising immigrants, nor did I write such, again it?s your trigger-happy response mechanism coming into play

With all due respect, I clearly have no idea whether she’s is a ‘lovely hard-working woman’ or not. How would I?
What you’ve written is that she left the NHS because she felt it to be, and I quote, ‘a business where immigrants tend to immigrants’.
Questioning that sentiment isn’t me being ‘trigger happy’ or playing any ‘racist card’, but perhaps you’d explain how her suggestion isn’t a) rubbish and b) racist.

P.S. If it helps…I obviously haven’t the figures for how many patients are immigrants, but the percentage of the UK population that fits that description is around 16% and apparently around 19% of NHS staff were born elsewhere. You might want to consider that before repeating such ludicrous assertions

[Geoff Parkstone]

Based solely on evidence of a month in hospitals last year I'd say staff 80% immigrant / 2nd or 3rd generation immigrant and 10% patient of similar origin. Sample restricted to male patients only, across 2 hospitals - one in London, 1i in Surrey

[Trickytreesreds]

still don't think the west didn't do its part in lighting the touch paper of Ukraine? Been years in the making, just waiting for a Putin to come along

https://fb.watch/y54E4eqZqN/

[SithHappens]

See our Nige has been giving Zelenskyy fashion advice. It's nice n all of him even if it's a bit like Prince William giving Harry Styles hair styling advice.

[Andy_Faber]

Based solely on evidence of a month in hospitals last year I'd say staff 80% immigrant / 2nd or 3rd generation immigrant and 10% patient of similar origin. Sample restricted to male patients only, across 2 hospitals - one in London, 1i in Surrey

Actually similar to mine in the area of elective/inpatient surgery but it?s not all about numbers, my consultant (an Indian, sorry no idea of generation) has such bad English that I?ve had to have my condition explained to me more than once by one of his colleagues (also Indian) with perfect English. I?d have happily expanded on my friend (ironically also an immigrant and one I?ve mentioned before)?s frustrations, but don?t see any point when we have someone shouting ?you?re a racist!? at any sign of deviation from his party line

[Andy_Faber]

still don't think the west didn't do its part in lighting the touch paper of Ukraine? Been years in the making, just waiting for a Putin to come along

https://fb.watch/y54E4eqZqN/

Not been discussed as much as I?d expected here but Zelensky showed a lot of bravery standing up to those bullies in what IMO was clearly a setup, I also think he?s shown other statesmen that they don?t need to succumb to every American whim. I was sort of hoping Zelensky was going to pop out with ?Look Don. Just STFU for a minute?
Good to see Starmer (misnamed as Lord Starmer on newsfeeds where I currently am) at last taking the lead in subsequent discussions

[ramAnag]

Actually similar to mine in the area of elective/inpatient surgery but it?s not all about numbers, my consultant (an Indian, sorry no idea of generation) has such bad English that I?ve had to have my condition explained to me more than once by one of his colleagues (also Indian) with perfect English. I?d have happily expanded on my friend (ironically also an immigrant and one I?ve mentioned before)?s frustrations, but don?t see any point when we have someone shouting ?you?re a racist!? at any sign of deviation from his party line

Hmmm…so you’d agree with GP’s seemingly sensible suggestion that, in his recent experience, about 10% of patients are likely to be immigrants, but support your friend’s description of the NHS as a service for immigrants? How can that make sense?

As regards frustrations with the quality of spoken English. Surely it is a prerequisite of any doctor to be able to communicate effectively. If a doctor’s English is genuinely so bad that they can’t be understood then I for one can’t understand how anyone would call you racist for politely pointing that out and seeking clarification.

[Geoff Parkstone]

A prerequisite of being a doctor is being able to communicate?? Have you not heard the adage of doctors handwriting?

To balance things a bit, I also spent quite a bit of time in A&E / outpatients where the he customer balance seemed much more (30% maybe) with English not as first language

[ramAnag]

A prerequisite of being a doctor is being able to communicate?? Have you not heard the adage of doctors handwriting?

To balance things a bit, I also spent quite a bit of time in A&E / outpatients where the he customer balance seemed much more (30% maybe) with English not as first language

Yes indeed, but quality of handwriting has largely been surpassed in a system where most written instructions are now machine printed, whereas being able to make oneself understood verbally remains, imo, crucial for medical staff.

Whether it’s 10% or 30%, and I appreciate this will vary depending on locality, that is still a very long way from what was originally being suggested two or three evenings ago.

[Andy_Faber]

A prerequisite of being a doctor is being able to communicate?? Have you not heard the adage of doctors handwriting?

To balance things a bit, I also spent quite a bit of time in A&E / outpatients where the he customer balance seemed much more (30% maybe) with English not as first language

Yes it was A and E. I?ve mentioned my friends frustrations before, an Irish nurse who previously worked in Spain where she?d settled, came to UK (so an immigrant herself in both countries as it happens) but has now returned to Spain in try he same role

Point taken re handwriting