Election Year or Fear!

[Geoff Parkstone]

In that TTR is in effect mirroring the argument that the causes of WW2 were grounded in the settlement of WW1, he has a point. Russian "lebensraum" policy underpins the invasion, to liberate what it sees as it's people in Ukraine territory. This too is not unlike the sudetenland

The Russo-Ukrainian conflict is rooted in the dissolution of the Eastern bloc and Europe / USA were complicit in enabling that dissolution.

This doesn't justify the invasion but the parallels are interesting. Especially in the way Trump is reprising the Chamberlain role of appeasement of the aggressor. Let's hope Poland isn't the next tarfet

[Trickytreesreds]

In that TTR is in effect mirroring the argument that the causes of WW2 were grounded in the settlement of WW1, he has a point. Russian "lebensraum" policy underpins the invasion, to liberate what it sees as it's people in Ukraine territory. This too is not unlike the sudetenland

The Russo-Ukrainian conflict is rooted in the dissolution of the Eastern bloc and Europe / USA were complicit in enabling that dissolution.

This doesn't justify the invasion but the parallels are interesting. Especially in the way Trump is reprising the Chamberlain role of appeasement of the aggressor. Let's hope Poland isn't the next tarfet

Poland won;'t be , its in NATO.

The west needs to look in the mirror. If the roles had been reversed and Russia/USSR, had been creeping slowly west, then west would have done something similar.
Imagine East Germany invading west Germany, or vice versa Would the reactions have been the same? Germans would claim to have had the right to the same thing, re unification, but under which banner?

No matter what maddy says, the west has lied and welched as much as Russia on promises not to arm/ expand/ occupy territory that doesn't belong to them.

[MadAmster]

Poland won;'t be , its in NATO.

The west needs to look in the mirror. If the roles had been reversed and Russia/USSR, had been creeping slowly west, then west would have done something similar.
Imagine East Germany invading west Germany, or vice versa Would the reactions have been the same? Germans would claim to have had the right to the same thing, re unification, but under which banner?

No matter what maddy says, the west has lied and welched as much as Russia on promises not to arm/ expand/ occupy territory that doesn't belong to them.

What Maddy said was facts.

The West, as you put it, reacted to requests from Georgia and Ukraine in much the same way they reacted to requests from all the other former soviet satellites such as Romania, Hungary, Poland. Remember, it was the USSR/CCCP or whichever acronym you wish to give it, that dismantled its own area of influence, realising that many of the inhabitants of those satellites didn't want Russian dictatorship.

Are you suggesting that "the West" should have ignored their requests to join the freedom train?

[Trickytreesreds]

What Maddy said was facts.

The West, as you put it, reacted to requests from Georgia and Ukraine in much the same way they reacted to requests from all the other former soviet satellites such as Romania, Hungary, Poland. Remember, it was the USSR/CCCP or whichever acronym you wish to give it, that dismantled its own area of influence, realising that many of the inhabitants of those satellites didn't want Russian dictatorship.

Are you suggesting that "the West" should have ignored their requests to join the freedom train?

The Russians withdrew and allowed German re unification on the promise of not 1 inch closer from NATO?
NATO didn't have to move 1 inch in any of those countries but did so after lying to Gorbachev.

[MadAmster]

The Russians withdrew and allowed German re unification on the promise of not 1 inch closer from NATO?
NATO didn't have to move 1 inch in any of those countries but did so after lying to Gorbachev.

So, NATO could prevent Georgia or Ukraine electing pro western governments who then ask to join?