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    Quote Originally Posted by SithHappens View Post
    Yep, it does seem it probably is. Seems Gorbachev sometimes claimed it was said and often said it hadn't been.
    No myth at all. There may have been no treaty sigend, but it was said orally more than once, to assure Gorbachev. Thats a fact

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contro...NATO_expansion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trickytreesreds View Post
    No myth at all. There may have been no treaty sigend, but it was said orally more than once, to assure Gorbachev. Thats a fact

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contro...NATO_expansion
    I would say though Tricky that, as the current conflict has evidenced, if Russia and a ?western? power had conflicting recollection of a verbal exchange, I?d favour the West every time. The only thing that would put that ?beyond reasonable doubt? in my mind was that Gorby seemed less inclined to fantasy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trickytreesreds View Post
    No myth at all. There may have been no treaty sigend, but it was said orally more than once, to assure Gorbachev. Thats a fact

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contro...NATO_expansion
    Here's a sentence from the very URL you posted...

    Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev, who participated in the 1990 negotiations, subsequently spoke out about the existence of a "guarantee of non-expansion of NATO to the east" inconsistently, confirming its existence in some interviews and refuting in others.
    The only FACT is that Gorbachev both confirmed and refuted such a guarantee.

    Hung by your own petard.

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