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You might have been a DFCSS Director when John Nelms sent a bill to the DFCSS board of directors for ?38,000 which included charging them for meals which were never taken by Platinum members are part of their package and the cost of a free match programme for every home game for every Gold member which was part of their package.
Only two or three members had taken up this offer but Nelms decided that he would fleece DFCSS by charging for the cost of every Gold member receiving a free match programme for every home game irrespective of whether they received a free match programme or not because he hates DFCSS. In my opinion Nelms wanted all DFCSS?s money which would put them out of business.
It is more than a passing coincidence that within two months of Bill Colvin resigning as Chairman of Dundee Football Club and a partner of FPS that the management of Dundee Football Club had seized the televising of Dundee FC home games live on DEETV and the various DFCSS packages for supporters for Dundee Football Club.
The various packages and DEETV were a joint venture between DFCSS and Dundee Football Club.
Interestingly the management of Dundee Football Club dispensed with various fundraising packages as that would have involved in the management of Dundee Football Club carrying out extra work and I have heard DFC supporters complaining that the management of DFC have not spent money upgrading the equipment for televising Dundee FC homes games live on DEETV.
If correct then it fits with Nelms?s penny pinching tactics of trying to get as much money out of Dundee supporters at the lowest possible expense.

I remember the programme thing. He actually wanted the full cost of a hard copy, glossy programme from every DFCSS member for every game because a PDF was being uploaded to the website and available for viewing by every member. Reality was that very, very few people were accessing it and they (Nelms and Crighton) were told to beat it.

The Platinum meals thing is ringing a bell but I wasn't really involved in those discussions.

The removal of streaming rights was an absolute disgrace and he even refused to return the equipment needed for it which was the property of DFCSS. The standard of coverage fell off a cliff when the club first took it on but thankfully it's better now.

These things were done to try to get all the DFCSS funds which Nelms was adamant belonged to the club because the money came from Dundee FC supporters. His belief was, and probably still is, that any spare cash that any Dundee fan has and intends spending on football should be the club's either by the purchase of something or ideally by donation.

The John Nelms business model is essentially get as much money out of DFC fans as possible, at the lowest possible expense to him and spend the least amount to thank those same fans for their loyalty.

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I remember the programme thing. He actually wanted the full cost of a hard copy, glossy programme from every DFCSS member for every game because a PDF was being uploaded to the website and available for viewing by every member. Reality was that very, very few people were accessing it and they (Nelms and Crighton) were told to beat it.

The Platinum meals thing is ringing a bell but I wasn't really involved in those discussions.

The removal of streaming rights was an absolute disgrace and he even refused to return the equipment needed for it which was the property of DFCSS. The standard of coverage fell off a cliff when the club first took it on but thankfully it's better now.

These things were done to try to get all the DFCSS funds which Nelms was adamant belonged to the club because the money came from Dundee FC supporters. His belief was, and probably still is, that any spare cash that any Dundee fan has and intends spending on football should be the club's either by the purchase of something or ideally by donation.

The John Nelms business model is essentially get as much money out of DFC fans as possible, at the lowest possible expense to him and spend the least amount to thank those same fans for their loyalty.

Why did DFCSS not demand the return of their property? If Nelms or DFC stole the equipment surely that was a police matter?

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Why did DFCSS not demand the return of their property? If Nelms or DFC stole the equipment surely that was a police matter?

It was asked for but never returned, and what would they do with it?

It's never been the policy of DFCSS / Dee4Life to cause friction with the club and so they've pretty much always just accepted that sort of thing. The membership wouldn't be too happy if the society took the club through the courts and it would just cost both parties money. The only friction between the two has been caused by Nelms.

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It was asked for but never returned, and what would they do with it?

It's never been the policy of DFCSS / Dee4Life to cause friction with the club and so they've pretty much always just accepted that sort of thing. The membership wouldn't be too happy if the society took the club through the courts and it would just cost both parties money. The only friction between the two has been caused by Nelms.

Ok thanks.

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I remember the programme thing. He actually wanted the full cost of a hard copy, glossy programme from every DFCSS member for every game because a PDF was being uploaded to the website and available for viewing by every member. Reality was that very, very few people were accessing it and they (Nelms and Crighton) were told to beat it.

The Platinum meals thing is ringing a bell but I wasn't really involved in those discussions.

The removal of streaming rights was an absolute disgrace and he even refused to return the equipment needed for it which was the property of DFCSS. The standard of coverage fell off a cliff when the club first took it on but thankfully it's better now.

These things were done to try to get all the DFCSS funds which Nelms was adamant belonged to the club because the money came from Dundee FC supporters. His belief was, and probably still is, that any spare cash that any Dundee fan has and intends spending on football should be the club's either by the purchase of something or ideally by donation.

The John Nelms business model is essentially get as much money out of DFC fans as possible, at the lowest possible expense to him and spend the least amount to thank those same fans for their loyalty.

Thanks for your information.
Regarding the Platinum membership they cost ?1000 per annum or 12 payments of ?100 = ?1,200.
From memory Platinum members used to get a free season ticket for the next season, a free ticket for the Player of the Year dinner, two meals with the Dundee FC players with one meal at Christmas time, a year?s entry for one line in the Dee Promotions lottery. I cannot remember if there were other benefits.
It was stated at a Dee4life board of directors meeting that Nelms was dead against the Dundee FC supporters using their own money as well as fundraising to raise the necessary funds to buy back Dens Park from John Bennett.
Nelms did not seem to realise that buying back the title deeds of Dens Park from John Bennett for ?750k would save Dundee Football Club a lot of money in the long run as the rental payments until the end of lease were going to cost over ?1,500,000.
Nelms wanted all the Dundee FC supporters to hand over all their money to Dundee Football Club.
Interestingly I do not see John Nelms putting all his own money into Dundee Football Club including purchasing the title deeds of Dens Park from John Bennett on 3rd October 2023 using his own money.
In my opinion the removal of the streaming rights by Nelms would never have happened if Bill Colvin has still been the Chairman of Dundee Football Club.
I remember reading that a Dundee FC supporter living in the Far East sponsored the DEETV streaming of home games from Dens Park when it was run by Dee4life.

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I remember the programme thing. He actually wanted the full cost of a hard copy, glossy programme from every DFCSS member for every game because a PDF was being uploaded to the website and available for viewing by every member. Reality was that very, very few people were accessing it and they (Nelms and Crighton) were told to beat it.

The Platinum meals thing is ringing a bell but I wasn't really involved in those discussions.

The removal of streaming rights was an absolute disgrace and he even refused to return the equipment needed for it which was the property of DFCSS. The standard of coverage fell off a cliff when the club first took it on but thankfully it's better now.

These things were done to try to get all the DFCSS funds which Nelms was adamant belonged to the club because the money came from Dundee FC supporters. His belief was, and probably still is, that any spare cash that any Dundee fan has and intends spending on football should be the club's either by the purchase of something or ideally by donation.

The John Nelms business model is essentially get as much money out of DFC fans as possible, at the lowest possible expense to him and spend the least amount to thank those same fans for their loyalty.

Nelms will not be happy when he sees who is sponsoring Cammy Kerr?s Queens Park home strip. https://queensparkfc.co.uk/cammy-kerr/
In my opinion I think that the management of Dundee Football Club as missing an opportunity to raise more funds through the sponsorship of the players football boots.
I have seen some professional football clubs advertise the sponsorship of their goalkeepers gloves.

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Nelms will not be happy when he sees who is sponsoring Cammy Kerr?s Queens Park home strip. https://queensparkfc.co.uk/cammy-kerr/

And how do you come the conclusion he wont be happy? Because Scott Foam sponsor the shirt? Why on earth would he even care?

Your obsession with John Nelms is rather disturbing. Some would even say irrational.

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Nelms will not be happy when he sees who is sponsoring Cammy Kerr?s Queens Park home strip. https://queensparkfc.co.uk/cammy-kerr/
In my opinion I think that the management of Dundee Football Club as missing an opportunity to raise more funds through the sponsorship of the players football boots.
I have seen some professional football clubs advertise the sponsorship of their goalkeepers gloves.

Cammy was on Off the ball on Radio Scotland a few weeks ago.

He stated that on his last day he went to see Nelmsy, and he stated that he had a great relationship with him. I’m sure you can get it on some type of catch up, if you don’t believe me.