Sack him, save our season

[Elite_Pie]

The downside is that if the club goes through a bad patch of results, then the drama queens call for the coach to be sacked whereas realistically there isn't much the Head Coach can do about it.

Do you really believe that if the club goes through a bad patch of results, realistically there isn't much the Head Coach can do about it?

I'd say he's the person you expect to sort it.

[upthemaggies]

Do you really believe that if the club goes through a bad patch of results, realistically there isn't much the Head Coach can do about it?

I'd say he's the person you expect to sort it.

It is a very odd take to say the manager makes no difference. Do they think the team spontaneously adopted a new approach between Warnock being sacked and the night we beat Tranmere 5-0? Would the results after Paul Ince left been the same had they stuck with him instead of bringing in Martin Allen? Would we have won back to back Wembley play off finals under Barnwell? gone up to the top flight under Ronnie Fenton? stayed up and reached the play offs the following season under Sheridan?

[MagpieMeltdown]

It is a very odd take to say the manager makes no difference. Do they think the team spontaneously adopted a new approach between Warnock being sacked and the night we beat Tranmere 5-0? Would the results after Paul Ince left been the same had they stuck with him instead of bringing in Martin Allen? Would we have won back to back Wembley play off finals under Barnwell? gone up to the top flight under Ronnie Fenton? stayed up and reached the play offs the following season under Sheridan?

Conversely, would we have drifted down the League One table into 20 years of obscurity had Big Sam not walked out when he did.

Nobody knows, but we were in a fantastic position that season to head into the Championship, and Big Sam leaving obviously changed the course of history. I wonder if we?d be a PL fixture now, such as a Fulham, Brighton or a Bournemouth.

Instead we?ve had two decades of dross.

[The_Pie_Man]

The *rockpool* principle in football fandom has reared its head again this week, in that immediately following a dispiriting defeat, the *bed-wetters* are up in arms, proclaiming the end of the world and there is a flurry of activity. As the week goes on, the *apologists* come out of hiding, ruthlessly crushing any resistance and it all calms down again in advance of the next match. This past couple of days is a perfect example of that principle.

I await the outcome of tomorrow night with interest, because I think fan patience is exhausted and I simply do not think SM is capable of turning it around.

[upthemaggies]

The *rockpool* principle in football fandom has reared its head again this week, in that immediately following a dispiriting defeat, the *bed-wetters* are up in arms, proclaiming the end of the world and there is a flurry of activity. As the week goes on, the *apologists* come out of hiding, ruthlessly crushing any resistance and it all calms down again in advance of the next match. This past couple of days is a perfect example of that principle.

I await the outcome of tomorrow night with interest, because I think fan patience is exhausted and I simply do not think SM is capable of turning it around.

To be fair, it does feel like Maynard is the last man in the building, sweeping up and turning off the lights after everybody else has gone home. Maybe a lot of people are terrified that if Maynard is forced out, the whole edifice will collapse.

I'm really struggling to imagine that Hardy, the Trews - or any other previous owner for that matter - would have been given a free pass had the events of the last 6 weeks or so occurred under their watch, with the man basically running the club walking out the door, two coaches leaving in a fog of rumours and - almost two months later - the coaches still not replaced.

[1955pie]

To be fair, it does feel like Maynard is the last man in the building, sweeping up and turning off the lights after everybody else has gone home. Maybe a lot of people are terrified that if Maynard is forced out, the whole edifice will collapse.

I'm really struggling to imagine that Hardy, the Trews - or any other previous owner for that matter - would have been given a free pass had the events of the last 6 weeks or so occurred under their watch, with the man basically running the club walking out the door, two coaches leaving in a fog of rumours and - almost two months later - the coaches still not replaced.

This

[Lullapie]

Conversely, would we have drifted down the League One table into 20 years of obscurity had Big Sam not walked out when he did.

Nobody knows, but we were in a fantastic position that season to head into the Championship, and Big Sam leaving obviously changed the course of history. I wonder if we?d be a PL fixture now, such as a Fulham, Brighton or a Bournemouth.

Instead we?ve had two decades of dross.

This is what I am talking about. I'm getting on a bit, but there's obviously quite a few on here who, whether or not they are older than me, are reverting back to a long time ago.

My whole point is that we cannot compare the role of Head Coaches today at Notts to the time when we had 'managers'. Owners were expected to pump their money in and keep out of the playing side of the club.

The world has moved on from that. Many clubs and businesses set their structure up today, where if the Head Coach or the COO departs, the system remains the same under the new incumbent.

Neither LW or SM it seems bought/buys the players. None of us know this for certain (although a few infer that they might have inside knowledge of something different), but my proof is players that been brought into the club, but have hardly ever played.

Some also have very short term memories. LW did very well for Notts in the NL, but was beginning to fail in L1 once the other teams sussed out how Notts played - in my opinion the 'decline' started before Notts got promotion. There was no Plan B - possibly similar to SM. Again, Williams did have some middle stage success with Swansea, but once his tactics were sussed out, Swansea began to fail. You can't keep blaming the quality of playing staff at every club, but then again, I'm not solely blaming the coach either.

If it's purely down to motivation, you often find that the best motivators, Warnock and Allardyce have been named, would NEVER have been employed by the current owners.

My point is, I believe SM, like LW had been employed to 'coach' the players that they have at their disposal. They don't recruit, they don't even have the opportunity to employ their own tactics. In return, they are promised nearly unlimited support by the owners.