O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[Elite_Pie]

Apparently, Steve Coogan (remember him?) has been expelled from the Labour Party for advising people to vote tactically in the election. Does this make me impressed with the leadership? I think the worst fears of reluctant Labour voters like me are coming to fruition. Starmer is an awful leader.

I feel exactly the same. I voted Labour for the sole reason they were the most likely to beat the Tory. If the most likely to beat the Tories had been the Lib Dems or the Greens, my vote would have gone to them in a heartbeat.

[upthemaggies]

Never thought I'd see the day when a Labour government would be withdrawing support for the disabled and mentally ill to feed the war machine.

[Lullapie]

Never thought I'd see the day when a Labour government would be withdrawing support for the disabled and mentally ill to feed the war machine.

Arm baby arm - as Sir Keir would say.

[SmiffyPie]

Never thought I'd see the day when a Labour government would be withdrawing support for the disabled and mentally ill to feed the war machine.

That's not the case though is it, the policy is those that can work shouldn't get benefits. And the war machine needs feeding unfortunately.

[Jampie]

I feel exactly the same. I voted Labour for the sole reason they were the most likely to beat the Tory. If the most likely to beat the Tories had been the Lib Dems or the Greens, my vote would have gone to them in a heartbeat.

One thing I like about Australia's electoral system is that we have ranked choice voting everywhere. I can show complete disdain for the major parties while still showing preference for one over the other. I wish every democracy had this, it's kinda great.

[MarcusCole]

One thing I like about Australia's electoral system is that we have ranked choice voting everywhere. I can show complete disdain for the major parties while still showing preference for one over the other. I wish every democracy had this, it's kinda great.

We had a vote on this a while back. Was turned down by the electorate.

[Lullapie]

We had a vote on this a while back. Was turned down by the electorate.

The problem is that with any form of Proportional Representation, it always does what it is meant to do - weaken the main parties - in turn you end up with the tail wagging the dog.

Using Australia as an example of democracy is a bit disingenuous, as Australians are forced by law to vote in elections. A democratic right of every person is to be able to vote or choose to abstain from voting. It's ok for their Parliamentarians, but not for their electorate.

I've lived under different electoral systems and my preferred is still first past the post. It may be painful sometimes, but it does lead to stronger governments, generally, which allows them to get their policies passed. There's nothing worse than a weak government. Many European countries suffer from that problem and they end up with ba$tardised coalitions between the main and a collection of minority, loony, parties.

Look what happened with the Tories and the DUP - my god, if you think PR could work, think again.