OT - The last of the Few. RIP.

[ramAnag]

the rise of the far right as you call it, are because of one reason. Ask yourself why

Hmmm…don’t really have to ask to know what you’ll attribute it to…immigration!
Unfortunately I think that is just one of many more complex reasons.
It suits you and those on the right to blame migrants, and Muslims in particular, now in the same way as Jews were blamed ninety odd years ago.
Seems ironic then, in such circumstances, that you’re apparently about to become a migrant yourself, albeit without the frequent excuse of fleeing a war torn or corruption riddled country, but still with much the same aim of seeking a better life.

P.S. Just realised we agreed that this thread wasn’t to be further politicised so apologies for replying. If you want to continue suggest we move to the election thread.

[swaledale]

Hmmm…don’t really have to ask to know what you’ll attribute it to…immigration!
Unfortunately I think that is just one of many more complex reasons.
It suits you and those on the right to blame migrants, and Muslims in particular, now in the same way as Jews were blamed ninety odd years ago.
Seems ironic then, in such circumstances, that you’re apparently about to become a migrant yourself, albeit without the frequent excuse of fleeing a war torn or corruption riddled country, but still with much the same aim of seeking a better life.

P.S. Just realised we agreed that this thread wasn’t to be further politicised so apologies for replying. If you want to continue suggest we move to the election thread.

OMG, what a tosser! I guess he forgets the many immigrants and citizens of UK colonies that fought and gave their lives in the last war? Not to mention of course the many Europeans, like the Poles (who has denigrated on this forum in the past) who fought in the BOB alongside this guy?

Yes the world and the country has changed, funny that. As with all things in life some changes are for the better, some not so much, but the wittering of old men moaning about the fact that world is not the same as it was when they were younger is hilarious. Even more hilarious when they then boast of how great it is to be an immigrant in another country whose citizens don't enjoy the same freedoms and privileges that we do.

[SithHappens]

You do hear older generations complaining the world isn't the same and is far more dangerous but is it? Does it not appear to be because news is 24/7 these days? My dad for one will say how bad the world is, but he was born just before WW2, a time when frightened young men were forced to go and die for their countries. We used to hang people.

As you say some things change for the better, some worse. People talk as though there was no before the 20th century. Trump talks about immigration, in a country born out of immigration only a few hundred years ago.

[ramAnag]

You do hear older generations complaining the world isn't the same and is far more dangerous but is it? Does it not appear to be because news is 24/7 these days? My dad for one will say how bad the world is, but he was born just before WW2, a time when frightened young men were forced to go and die for their countries. We used to hang people.

As you say some things change for the better, some worse. People talk as though there was no before the 20th century. Trump talks about immigration, in a country born out of immigration only a few hundred years ago.

I think you make a fair point, Sith. Never forget, when I first started working in the area of child protection, my late mother telling me ‘there’s nothing new about these *****philes you know’ and proceeding to tell me of encounters she’d narrowly avoided as a young girl in Liverpool ninety plus years ago now. Maybe one difference was that her brothers (my uncles) sorted it their way in those days.
Likewise I grew up on the edge of Saddleworth Moor and we all know what Hindley and Brady were getting up to in the 1960’s there - despite which I still remember ‘playing out’ with a freedom that I rarely see my own grandchildren enjoying today.
As you say, eighty plus years ago millions of our young men, like Paddy Hemingway, were being sent off to war and knife crime was relatively prolific in our 19th century cities.
So maybe we do overreact these days, partly as a result of the bombardment of 24/7 news, although I do think that, politically, we are in very dangerous times and that the internet - which in many ways should be a force for good - has become a dangerous beast in the hands of the unscrupulous.

[SithHappens]

I think you make a fair point, Sith. Never forget, when I first started working in the area of child protection, my late mother telling me ‘there’s nothing new about these *****philes you know’ and proceeding to tell me of encounters she’d narrowly avoided as a young girl in Liverpool ninety plus years ago now. Maybe one difference was that her brothers (my uncles) sorted it their way in those days.
Likewise I grew up on the edge of Saddleworth Moor and we all know what Hindley and Brady were getting up to in the 1960’s there - despite which I still remember ‘playing out’ with a freedom that I rarely see my own grandchildren enjoying today.
As you say, eighty plus years ago millions of our young men, like Paddy Hemingway, were being sent off to war and knife crime was relatively prolific in our 19th century cities.
So maybe we do overreact these days, partly as a result of the bombardment of 24/7 news, although I do think that, politically, we are in very dangerous times and that the internet - which in many ways should be a force for good - has become a dangerous beast in the hands of the unscrupulous.

Playing out. Yes I was the same, out down the park etc , no adult chaperones. I can't imagine any of the young people in my family circle doing that, or being allowed.

I'm not sure there is more danger from 'bad' people wanting to do them harm, though traffic is totally different today which could be a factor.

Growing up we used to play football, tennis, kerby out on the street and hardly saw a car. Kids couldn't do that now on the same street, either because too many parked cars, or cars up and down the street all the time.

Then again we only had 3, then 4, channels on TV, none of which seemed to show anything kid friendly on Sundays so less incentive to stay in i guess. I was probably the 1st generation who had access to games on computers ( loved my spectrum), you could go out and play for a bit while your game loaded mind.

[Andy_Faber]

MA and Ramshank excluded you just couldn't help yourselves...