Election Year or Fear!

[Andy_Faber]

I think it's sensible but I am a believer that people can be born in the wrong body.

I haven't read the ruling but would be of the opinion that someone who has had full gender reassignment should maybe be treated as the *** they now are, except maybe for sporting reasons.

Sport has been my big issue on this, my girls were at regional level at a number of sports as juniors but learned how to take defeat in good grace and realise when their eventual level had been reached. The infiltration of trans athletes was just starting as they became adult but it was both heartbreaking and annoying to see, now confirmed, boys destroying girls dreams

[MadAmster]

Let's take the issue of toilets. In a democracy, if there's more CIS women who don't want gender reassigned women, whether they've had the full op and hormone treatment or not, in the same toilet as them than there are trans women who want to use women's toilets, then we have to start supplying trans male/female toilets OR we go down the gender neutral toilet route... and how many would be unhappy about that?

There are some gender neutral toilets at Schiphol airport and also at Fuerteventura airport. I've not seen or heard any adverse comments on those so, is that the way forward?

[Geoff Parkstone]

Ultimately if it was simply a functional issue then gender neutral toilets with stalls only might be the rights answer. You don't have M / F toilets in your home yet still invite friends of all genders to dinner, parties etc.

But, and I think this is more a female thing, toilets go beyond mere functionality and tend to act as a social hub where gender neutrality may be less acceptable. Then we have the male only "cottages" to consider.

[SithHappens]

My wife feels uncomfortable with gender neutral toilets.

[SithHappens]

My other concerns with rulings like this is that it sort of legitimises (in their own heads) the hate brigade. Even the most ardent brexit supporter would admit that the moronic minority saw the vote as tacit consent to be racist, and that's a concern of mine that there will be the same with those with a dislike of anyone LGBTQ+

[MadAmster]

Here's a letter, supposedly written by Tommy Lee, of Motley Crue fame to Trump in 2020. Fast forward 5 years. Trump hasn't changed a bit.

"An Open Letter to the president"
From the Drummer of M?tley Cr?e, Tommy Lee
Dear ****ing Lunatic,
At your recent press conference - more a word salad that had a stroke and fell down stairs, you were CLEARLY so out of your depth you needed scuba gear. Within minutes of going off air your minions were backpedaling faster than Cirque De Soliel acrobats... In India a week ago, i couldn’t get past the bit about your being the most popular visitor in the history of ****ing india — a country of a BILLION human souls that’s only 3000 years old, give or take.!!! Trust me - Gandhi pulled CROWDS.. You pulled a cricket stadium and half WALKED out...
Do you know how ****ing insane you sound, you off-brand butt plug? That's like the geopolitical equivalent of “that stripper really likes me” — only 10,000 times crazier and less self aware.
You are ****ing exhausting. Every day is a natural experiment in determining how long 300 million people can resist coring out their own assholes with an ice auger. Every time I hear a snippet of your Queens-tinged banshee larynx farts, I want to scream!
We are ****ing tired. As bad as we all thought your presidency would be when Putin got you elected, it’s been inestimably worse.
You called a hostile, nuclear-armed head of state “short and fat.” How the **** does that help?
You accused a woman — a former friend, no less — of showing up at your resort bleeding from the face and begging to get in. You, you, YOU — the guy who looks like a Christmas haggis inexplicably brought to life by Frosty’s magic hat — yes, you of all people said that.
You attempted — with evident ****ing glee — to get 24 million people thrown off their health insurance.
You gave billions away to corporations and the already wealthy while simultaneously telling struggling poor people that you were doing exactly the opposite.
You endorsed a pedophile, praised brutal dictators, and defended LITERAL ****ING NAZIS!
Ninety-nine percent of everything you say is either false, crazy, incoherent, just plain cruel, or a rancid paella of all four.
Oh, by the way, Puerto Rico is still FUBAR. You got yourself and your family billions in tax breaks for Christmas. What do they get? More paper towels?
Enough, enough, enough, enough! For the love of God and all that is holy, good, and pure, would you please, finally and forever, shut your feculent KFC-hole until you have something valuable — or even marginally civil — to say?
You are a fried dick sandwich with a side of schlongs. If chlamydia and gonorrhea had a son, you’d appoint him HHS secretary. You are a disgraceful, pustulant hot stew full of casuistry, godawful ideas, unintelligible non sequiturs, and malignant rage.
You are the perfect circus orangutan diaper from Plato’s World of Forms.
So **** you Mr. President. And **** you forever.
Oh, and Pence, you oleaginous house ferret. **** you, too. You'll be as useful as a chocolate teapot against a medical crisis you Bible thumping cock socket."

[Andy_Faber]

My wife feels uncomfortable with gender neutral toilets.

She should be, from a hygiene POV if nothing else, blokes will be blokes esp relating to stand up processes

[Andy_Faber]

My other concerns with rulings like this is that it sort of legitimises (in their own heads) the hate brigade. Even the most ardent brexit supporter would admit that the moronic minority saw the vote as tacit consent to be racist, and that's a concern of mine that there will be the same with those with a dislike of anyone LGBTQ+

There?s hate on both sides, check out how JK Rowling has been treated for instance

[MadAmster]

She should be, from a hygiene POV if nothing else, blokes will be blokes esp relating to stand up processes

We aim to please, will you please aim?

[Andy_Faber]

We aim to please, will you please aim?

or, and this was on the toilet wall at Stanley White Hart, ?while you?ve been looking what I?ve put you may be pissing on your foot??