Election Year or Fear!

[Trickytreesreds]

Smashing the gangs going well then?
https://news.sky.com/story/small-boa...tands-13357691

Now we find that Labour are pushing all these "asylum " seekers into rental property, where landlords are lapping it up. With long term contracts, more rent, how exactly does the government think this impact the indigenous population.
It beggars' belief it really does.

I sill laugh at my bro in law, who served in the RAF for 16 years, yet the barracks he lived in, were deemed not good enough by lefty judges. No wonder they keep coming. The Tories and Labour have made this country a laughing stock. France told us years ago, stop giving them so much. Other countries such as Sweden/Denmark/Germany have learned the hard way, but putting it right.

[ramAnag]

The ‘Trump effect’ certainly going well…particularly in Canada!

[Geoff Parkstone]

The ‘Trump effect’ certainly going well…particularly in Canada!

A bit of a random comment rather out of context to upthread debate, but I suppose you cant see the earlier TTR posts! A client of mine who is Canadian (with EU passport) has said the whole country is boycotting travel to US and has ceased buying anything of US provenance. Evidently a big open market for Chinese goods now: a decision they may live to regret in times to comer.

Trump is no doubt a total wa*ker particularly when it comes to matters economic and is losing popular support hand over fist even amongst his core southern redneck supporters who dont really like inflation, especially when it puts up trailer park rental costs

[ramAnag]

A bit of a random comment rather out of context to upthread debate, but I suppose you cant see the earlier TTR posts! A client of mine who is Canadian (with EU passport) has said the whole country is boycotting travel to US and has ceased buying anything of US provenance. Evidently a big open market for Chinese goods now: a decision they may live to regret in times to comer.

Trump is no doubt a total wa*ker particularly when it comes to matters economic and is losing popular support hand over fist even amongst his core southern redneck supporters who dont really like inflation, especially when it puts up trailer park rental costs

Random? Really? It’s a comment about an election result on an Election thread. Just observing that Trump seems to have (unintentionally) managed to reinvigorate Canadian liberals.

[MadAmster]

Why is Labour bringing all these boat people into the country?

Why aren't they intercepting them mid channel and taking them back to France?

Why aren't the illegals having their claims dealt with quickly and efficiently and being deported if their claim is rejected?

Why aren't those who break the Law having their claims immediately refused and sent packing? Not talking about parking offence levels of Law breaking but violence theft and the like.

Why aren't they being given "training" in what is acceptable behaviour under UK Law and then be told, in no uncertain terms, that infringements such as violence theft etc will lead to immediate deportation. Preferably back to their own country but, if that's impossible as they had no ID papers/passport and won't say where they come from, a DNA test will be carried out to ascertain their probable origin and send them there.

If I was to kill 'er next door, I'd get a prison sentence. After I'd served it, I'd have my Dutch nationality rescinded, be noted as persona non grata and sent back to Blighty. That should happen to illegal immigrants too, although, having been found guilty and sentenced, merely deporting them back to wherever would save a lot of money on prison costs...

[swaledale]

Why is Labour bringing all these boat people into the country?

Why aren't they intercepting them mid channel and taking them back to France?

Why aren't the illegals having their claims dealt with quickly and efficiently and being deported if their claim is rejected?

Why aren't those who break the Law having their claims immediately refused and sent packing? Not talking about parking offence levels of Law breaking but violence theft and the like.

Why aren't they being given "training" in what is acceptable behaviour under UK Law and then be told, in no uncertain terms, that infringements such as violence theft etc will lead to immediate deportation. Preferably back to their own country but, if that's impossible as they had no ID papers/passport and won't say where they come from, a DNA test will be carried out to ascertain their probable origin and send them there.

If I was to kill 'er next door, I'd get a prison sentence. After I'd served it, I'd have my Dutch nationality rescinded, be noted as persona non grata and sent back to Blighty. That should happen to illegal immigrants too, although, having been found guilty and sentenced, merely deporting them back to wherever would save a lot of money on prison costs...

1. Labour isn't bringing them into the country, they or rather the traffickers do that.

2. Who do you suggest does the intercepting (the Navy isn't equipped and they and the border force are reluctant for obvious reasons to break international law. Plus we haven't the resources and once they reach UK territorial waters they become the UK responsibility.

3. The last Tory government mismanaged the processing of Asylum Seekers and built up a huge backlog (by the way factually they aren't illegal) plus seemed incapable of deporting those that had failed claims. Labour has cracked on with this, having according to its claims deported 16,000 and continuing to do so. One might think that the Tories deliberately created situation for political purposes, but that would be cynical. One might also believe that the minority of cases where legal issues hold up deportation are the norm when in fact that isn't the case. A case in point is the return agreement with Albania which Labour sorted pretty quickly and its unclear why the Tories couldn't.

4. Because the UK does actually operate with due process, in accordance with domestic and international law and whilst it might seem convenient in certain circumstances to dispense with this, I'd say that Trump is evidence that might not be advisable. Principally because the next people who are dealt with in such a manner might be you, your family or friends.

Of course IF the UK actually had on Brexit, reached an agreement with France (it was offered) to set up an Asylum processing centre in Calais and didn't insist that apart from certain select groups, a person can only claim asylum when in the UK, then there would be hardly any people crossing in boats as was the case prior to Brexit.

5. Asylum seekers are a very small percentage of immigrants and of an even smaller percentage actually commit crimes but of course these are the ones amplified by right wing commentators and the media, whereas a white bloke can slaughter his ex girl friend, her kids and a kids fried having a sleep over and it barely reaches the national press.

We are back to due process and the law with regards to immediate deportation, but its perfectly possible to do this legally and in fact does happen, funnily enough such cases are again hardly if ever reported on.

6. It would and does happen to anybody who is convicted, that they get an appropriate sentence and then deported at the end of that sentence, sometimes they get transferred to serve that sentence in their country of origin. But not sure that deporting someone convicted of murder with no certainty they would be in prison is advisable.


In summary, the situation is less of an issue than the right wing politicians and media make out, or would be IF it was managed properly. The UK takes in a smaller proportion of asylum seekers than almost any other European country. Asylum seekers are no more prevalent to commit crimes than anybody else.

Lastly the shortage of housing, the lack of capacity in the NHS is NOT due to immigration but mostly down to a government that over the past 14 years failed to invest in social housing and services at a rate which reflected the population growth and the fact that the richest people in this country and elsewhere have increased their wealth exponentially whilst the majority of the population's income has been stagnant.

[Geoff Parkstone]

1. Labour isn't bringing them into the country, they or rather the traffickers do that.

2. Who do you suggest does the intercepting (the Navy isn't equipped and they and the border force are reluctant for obvious reasons to break international law. Plus we haven't the resources and once they reach UK territorial waters they become the UK responsibility.

3. The last Tory government mismanaged the processing of Asylum Seekers and built up a huge backlog (by the way factually they aren't illegal) plus seemed incapable of deporting those that had failed claims. Labour has cracked on with this, having according to its claims deported 16,000 and continuing to do so. One might think that the Tories deliberately created situation for political purposes, but that would be cynical. One might also believe that the minority of cases where legal issues hold up deportation are the norm when in fact that isn't the case. A case in point is the return agreement with Albania which Labour sorted pretty quickly and its unclear why the Tories couldn't.

4. Because the UK does actually operate with due process, in accordance with domestic and international law and whilst it might seem convenient in certain circumstances to dispense with this, I'd say that Trump is evidence that might not be advisable. Principally because the next people who are dealt with in such a manner might be you, your family or friends.

Of course IF the UK actually had on Brexit, reached an agreement with France (it was offered) to set up an Asylum processing centre in Calais and didn't insist that apart from certain select groups, a person can only claim asylum when in the UK, then there would be hardly any people crossing in boats as was the case prior to Brexit.

5. Asylum seekers are a very small percentage of immigrants and of an even smaller percentage actually commit crimes but of course these are the ones amplified by right wing commentators and the media, whereas a white bloke can slaughter his ex girl friend, her kids and a kids fried having a sleep over and it barely reaches the national press.

We are back to due process and the law with regards to immediate deportation, but its perfectly possible to do this legally and in fact does happen, funnily enough such cases are again hardly if ever reported on.

6. It would and does happen to anybody who is convicted, that they get an appropriate sentence and then deported at the end of that sentence, sometimes they get transferred to serve that sentence in their country of origin. But not sure that deporting someone convicted of murder with no certainty they would be in prison is advisable.


In summary, the situation is less of an issue than the right wing politicians and media make out, or would be IF it was managed properly. The UK takes in a smaller proportion of asylum seekers than almost any other European country. Asylum seekers are no more prevalent to commit crimes than anybody else.

Lastly the shortage of housing, the lack of capacity in the NHS is NOT due to immigration but mostly down to a government that over the past 14 years failed to invest in social housing and services at a rate which reflected the population growth and the fact that the richest people in this country and elsewhere have increased their wealth exponentially whilst the majority of the population's income has been stagnant.

Good grief it took you until point 5 to unveil the tired old blame it on the right wing media refrain - must be something of a record.

Put half a dozen of the boats onto the bottom of the channel and numbers trying to cross would drop dramatically. If as in your point 5 asylum seekers are such a small porportion of immigrants, then the rest sent to see Davy Jones must by definition be illegals?

As to whether such illegals carry out more crime, I guess the answer lies in the fact tht poverty and deprivation leads anyone (migdant or not) to turn to crime more readily. In my view the connection between illegals and for instance (to cite TTR) grooming gangs is far from proven as this has been a blight on society for much longer that the channel crossings - far more likely legal migrants/second generation if indeed an ethnic issue.