Election Year or Fear!

[ramAnag]

No charges to be bought against Rupert Lowe relating to the incident which saw him kicked out of Reform. Wonder if farage will apologise. It was clearly engineered by him because Lowe spoke out against him.

‘A coward and a viper who is no leader’, Rupert Lowe on Nigel Farage. The plot thickens.

[MadAmster]

‘A coward and a viper who is no leader’, Rupert Lowe on Nigel Farage. The plot thickens.

Thicker than Reform followers? They're just like Trumpists. Hardly a working brain cell between them. He breaks the Law, they cheer. Judges stop him doing whatever it was. Judges get hammered for going against Trump when what they've actually done is uphold the Constitution and various Laws, the job he swore to do when he took the oath in January. He's treading all over freedoms he's running roughshod over people. He's just accepted a plane from the Qataris, the Law says he's not allowed to accept such gifts. That won't stop him. The Courts will. he'll then try to sack the judges and appoint new ones who will do as they're instructed rather than uphold the Constitution and the Law.

Farage sucks up to Trump. He'd do what trump's trying to do. Don't let the "man" anywhere near power.

[Andy_Faber]

Don't let the "man" anywhere near power.

Don?t you think he is ?near? power already? I?m sure the blue and red Tories (your phrase)are both desperate to remain in or return to power in four years so will modify their approach (or appear to) to mimic NF/Reform?s offering? He?ll just keep pushing.

[MadAmster]

Don?t you think he is ?near? power already? I?m sure the blue and red Tories (your phrase)are both desperate to remain in or return to power in four years so will modify their approach (or appear to) to mimic NF/Reform?s offering? He?ll just keep pushing.

No. I don't think he's near power. Reform has won a number of councils, 10 or 12 wasn't it? That's their opportunity to show that they have some sensible people with the right kind of qualities to run a council. If they can do that, enough people might be persuaded to vote for them in the hope that they can transfer local administration success through to national and international policies. They've given themselves a chance. If they are as "successful" as UKIP was with the one council they ever controlled (bankrupt inside 7 months) then Reform won't be the largest party at the next election. They've given themselves a chance to show what they can do. If they do that wisely, they'll win the next election. Failure at local level would, IMO, see them fall by the wayside nationally.

Not close but they have opened the door.

If they do screw up locally, I have no idea what will happen at the next GE. They won't win. I don't see red or blue doing well either. LibDem? Unlikely but it could happen. Red, Blue, Reform all with similar numbers of seats in the 150 to 175 ballpark? 100+ for LibDem and then the MP from the colonies (they aren't equal partners in a Union) and the odd green etc. A coalition would be the likely outcome but would other parties join in or would the biggest or two others form a minority government?

So many things can change between now and then

PS - I know, as does every other poster on here, that red/blue Tories is "my phrase" so I don't understand the need to emphasise it.

[Andy_Faber]

No. I don't think he's near power. Reform has won a number of councils, 10 or 12 wasn't it? That's their opportunity to show that they have some sensible people with the right kind of qualities to run a council. If they can do that, enough people might be persuaded to vote for them in the hope that they can transfer local administration success through to national and international policies. They've given themselves a chance. If they are as "successful" as UKIP was with the one council they ever controlled (bankrupt inside 7 months) then Reform won't be the largest party at the next election. They've given themselves a chance to show what they can do. If they do that wisely, they'll win the next election. Failure at local level would, IMO, see them fall by the wayside nationally.

Not close but they have opened the door.

If they do screw up locally, I have no idea what will happen at the next GE. They won't win. I don't see red or blue doing well either. LibDem? Unlikely but it could happen. Red, Blue, Reform all with similar numbers of seats in the 150 to 175 ballpark? 100+ for LibDem and then the MP from the colonies (they aren't equal partners in a Union) and the odd green etc. A coalition would be the likely outcome but would other parties join in or would the biggest or two others form a minority government?

So many things can change between now and then

PS - I know, as does every other poster on here, that red/blue Tories is "my phrase" so I don't understand the need to emphasise it.

I didn?t mean the power of government, I meant the power of influence

[swaledale]

I didn?t mean the power of government, I meant the power of influence

You are for once spot on, Farage has far more influence than he should ahve based on the fact that he has no actual policies, just vague statements about what Reform would do.

I did fear that labour would try to veer towards reform's views on immigration and they ahve, a big mistake IMO, those likely to vote reform will do so anyway and those like me who find the language used offensive will consider voting for others.

Yet Starmer could and should ahve used a much different tone. There is much one can agree with, the Tories did allow uncontrolled immigration post Brexit, there does need to be a fair system to allow immigrants in and an effective efficient system for processing Asylum claims and deporting those wo don't qualify or in the country illegally. Same with deporting those with criminal records etc. Indeed labour are actually deporting significant numbers, but of course successful deportations don't make news.

But the language and tone of his speech was offensive to anybody other than right leaning voters, the majority of whom as experience has shown will vote for a right wing party in any case, not a party aping right wing views.

It is depressing because it would be reasonably simple to discredit Farage, show up his contradictions and attack reform's lack of experience and thread bare policies yet few in the media or in politics do so.

[Trickytreesreds]

Thicker than Reform followers? They're just like Trumpists. Hardly a working brain cell between them. He breaks the Law, they cheer. Judges stop him doing whatever it was. Judges get hammered for going against Trump when what they've actually done is uphold the Constitution and various Laws, the job he swore to do when he took the oath in January. He's treading all over freedoms he's running roughshod over people. He's just accepted a plane from the Qataris, the Law says he's not allowed to accept such gifts. That won't stop him. The Courts will. he'll then try to sack the judges and appoint new ones who will do as they're instructed rather than uphold the Constitution and the Law.

Farage sucks up to Trump. He'd do what trump's trying to do. Don't let the "man" anywhere near power.

lol, then there is an awful lot of thick disgruntled voters in this country.?
They are rising all the time.

Are you advocating for more of the same from Labour and the Tories?

Are you saying that the last 25 years have been to the satisfaction and wants of the general public?

I;ll just remind you that lies upon lies and broken promises have got us here. The current lot have made lying an Olympic sport and that fully costed and laid out manifesto, will go down in history as up there with Harrys "Spare" as a brilliant type of fiction.

Sorry my friend, the general populous have had enough.Time to rip up the closed shop and stir the ant nest.
You and sith may not like that, but like Europe, things are changing.

I'm waiting for the vipers to try and shut Reform down, just like they are trying in France and Germany.