O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[SmiffyPie]

I guess this is possibly leading to the Brexit that should have been (cooperation and all that) but to flog the sea bed to the EU hoovering machine for another 12 years seems a high price to pay just to let people through a bloody customs gate quicker! (and to crow about it).

[Elite_Pie]

I guess this is possibly leading to the Brexit that should have been (cooperation and all that).

Agree, but once we left cooperation was never on the agenda.

to flog the sea bed to the EU hoovering machine for another 12 years seems a high price to pay just to let people through a bloody customs gate quicker! (and to crow about it).

I would agree again if that's all we gained, but I'm sure you know it isn't. I don't believe Starmer when he says the deal is "win win" because I don't think the fishermen win, but the potential for easier trade with our biggest customer means there will be a lot more winners than losers. I see it as the first small step to righting the wrongs of the catastrophic Brexit vote.

[i961pie]

Agree, but once we left cooperation was never on the agenda.



I would agree again if that's all we gained, but I'm sure you know it isn't. I don't believe Starmer when he says the deal is "win win" because I don't think the fishermen win, but the potential for easier trade with our biggest customer means there will be a lot more winners than losers. I see it as the first small step to righting the wrongs of the catastrophic Brexit vote.

But will the Brexit voters see it as a win win when the election comes around?
Mind you a lot can happen in a week in politics never mind 4 years.

[Elite_Pie]

But will the Brexit voters see it as a win win when the election comes around?

Difficult one. If we had a general election tomorrow, I'm pretty sure Reform would be in power.

Mind you a lot can happen in a week in politics never mind 4 years.

That gives me hope that if I'm still around they won't be in power. If you look at the history of people like Farage and Tice, what boxes do they tick as people you would want to govern you? I realise you could say the same of many political leaders whatever the party, but if you really want 'change', unless you hate the thought of immigrants how would Reform be a change for the better?