OT - Transgender footballers

[Andy_Faber]

In any sport that involves physical competition. Perhaps trans can compete in womens chess, I'd accept that

You miss out that there are some sports where male and female compete happily together anyway. Equestrian, where males have an edge over females but it?s marginal, and where the ?G? and ?Q? part of LGBTQ+ are welcome in my experience as a gofer for my daughter, and motorsport, where TBH females struggle but trans would be no less welcome, there is an initiative for inclusion at present.

[Geoff Parkstone]

You miss out that there are some sports where male and female compete happily together anyway. Equestrian, where males have an edge over females but it?s marginal, and where the ?G? and ?Q? part of LGBTQ+ are welcome in my experience as a gofer for my daughter, and motorsport, where TBH females struggle but trans would be no less welcome, there is an initiative for inclusion at present.

Re motorsport there are now women only races I believe (Formula One Academy) at effectively formula 4 level designed to encourage female paticipation in the "sport". What is the view on allowing trans drivers in this category?

[Andy_Faber]

Re motorsport there are now women only races I believe (Formula One Academy) at effectively formula 4 level designed to encourage female paticipation in the "sport". What is the view on allowing trans drivers in this category?

I?ve just revisited the RACMSA entry form for the junior category that I was to fat, too slow witted and not brave enough for a few years ago and the only *** option is male and female, so as biologically (ok pedants, with a vanishingly small number, maybe 50 a year of those who can?t be determined) male or female any trans person enters one or the other and they?re in. However I would guess that they have to use their actual *** at birth for H and S (motorsport is dangerous) purposes. Acceptance into the Academy is stated as a women only initiative but no idea if FIA would go against this for ex-male trans, my gut feel is no but that?s based on what I will be told is an outdated view that any given male would beat any given female in the same equipment, and that would defeat the object of the Academy. Regarding non-gendered categories, I?d hope treatment would be fair

[Trickytreesreds]

You miss out that there are some sports where male and female compete happily together anyway. Equestrian, where males have an edge over females but it?s marginal, and where the ?G? and ?Q? part of LGBTQ+ are welcome in my experience as a gofer for my daughter, and motorsport, where TBH females struggle but trans would be no less welcome, there is an initiative for inclusion at present.

Motorsport? In a mixed race, the man wins. The g forces exerted are immense and women struggle. A trans man would be fine. But the point is and always will be, if it's a womens only race, then any sport that physicality matters, should outlaw trans. Its genetics.

[Andy_Faber]

Motorsport? In a mixed race, the man wins. The g forces exerted are immense and women struggle. A trans man would be fine. But the point is and always will be, if it's a womens only race, then any sport that physicality matters, should outlaw trans. Its genetics.

Not totally agreeing with the former part of your post, exceptional females such as Michel Mouton (in the monsters that were group B rally cars) and Danica Patrick (Indycars) mixed it with the best in the biz and won. It’s rare though

[Trickytreesreds]

Not totally agreeing with the former part of your post, exceptional females such as Michel Mouton (in the monsters that were group B rally cars) and Danica Patrick (Indycars) mixed it with the best in the biz and won. It?’s rare though

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3CWvGT9VuP4

[Ramshank72]

Motorsport? In a mixed race, the man wins. The g forces exerted are immense and women struggle. A trans man would be fine. But the point is and always will be, if it's a womens only race, then any sport that physicality matters, should outlaw trans. Its genetics.

I'm pretty sure our female RAF Typhoon pilots endure higher G forces than the bloke racing a Ford Focus around a mud track.

[ramAnag]

I'm pretty sure our female RAF Typhoon pilots endure higher G forces than the bloke racing a Ford Focus around a mud track.

Not a subject that I claim any expertise on at all…but that seems a point very well made.

[Trickytreesreds]

I'm pretty sure our female RAF Typhoon pilots endure higher G forces than the bloke racing a Ford Focus around a mud track.

sigh, and that person is competing against who?
Perhaps you have a lack of knowledge here as well, but pilots wear a G - suit and operate controls that are power assisted, and computer aided. I say again, stick a woman in an F1 car, against a male driver and the strength difference will show, as the woman driver in the video was trying to tell you

[Trickytreesreds]

Not a subject that I claim any expertise on at all?but that seems a point very well made.

flawed and showing lack of knowledge

The G strain maneuver requires significant core strength. That favours men by a wide margin. However, height is bad for handling Gs. Increased body fat ratios also are a negative, and women naturally have slightly higher sub dermal fat ratios.

When accounting for average height, average height women still do worse than average height man, but only by a bit. When testing is done on people of the same height men do significantly better, due to lower body fat and higher strength.

Short, but strong men with low body fat tend to be by far the best at this.

Here is an Air Force study on that topic

https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a177986.pdf