Kelleher

[Monaco_Totty]

Talking of keepers, this FA law 22-2 & recent Var shenanigans regarding Villa denied a goal at Old Trafford resulting in complaints to referees body Professional Game Match Officials Limited after an alleged mistake by ref Thomas Bramall contributed to them losing 2-0 at Man U & missing out on the Champions League placing.🤔

With the match goalless and Villa down to 10 men after goalkeeper Emiliano Martinez was correctly sent off, the visitors thought Morgan Rogers had given them the lead.

Rogers had 'nudged the ball away' from United goalkeeper Altay Bayindir as he attempted to gather & slotted home.
However, Bramall blew for a foul thinking Bayindir had 2 hands on the ball 'tho television footage showed otherwise.

Cos Bramall stopped play before the ball entered the net the video assistant referee,aka VAR could not intervene.

Law 22- 2 actually states a goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball with the hand/s when the ball is 'between' the hands.

So, the ball was 'between 2 hands' but 🧐
So what do you think ?

Were Villa controversially DENIED crucial goal against Man Utd ?

Whatever that law 22-2 needs adjusting word choice wise, imo, adding control of ball directives or alternative ball held considerations, for sure !

Some would argue is the ball ever fully under control in certain circumstance, likewise as is the ball always under the control or an attacker, too.

Tough for refs, some may say too.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ygJ5k6TL...sx8fitjdpvaIBg

[Monaco_Totty]

Law 22.2 wording currently.

[spaldy]

I saw that play in real time as well as replays.

It is really a broken record but the poor officiating in the FA continues to favor certain teams. I'm not Villa fan but that really is a bucket or wrong. The real issue is that ball went into the back of the net and the play was close. However, for years many refs were taught (including me) that 50/50 plays involving goals errored in the side of letting the goal stand. This most often occurred on offsides.

It's been corrupted to the point where fingernails and shoelaces now overrule goals. It's bad for the game, fans and frankly the players. Takes so much away from the game. It's the biggest thing I'll miss about the championship. Every close goal in the prem is some long drawn out delay.

I don't have stats but suspect that these allowed or disallowed goals go disproportionately to the "big club" and especially the "big 6".

[Monaco_Totty]

FWIW - the situation was not helped by goalkeeper discipline & concentration.

Without sounding to technical goalkeeper gloves all have limitations that can lead to ball slips.

The main weakness is the potential loss of grip due to the tacky latex substance on them drying out with wear & the finger protection inlays on gloves which can reduce the keepers feel of the ball.

My brother has a warm water spray bottle in the nets which he sprays onto his gloves throughout the game as he is encouraged not to spit into his gloves.
Finger protectors are varied & personal choice dictates styles required.

After viewing the above youtube close ups hes sure the gloves were the problem onto actually gripping that spinning ball.

So another one of those situations where banner headlines of genuine keeper mistakes takes precedent over a succession of natural contributing factors that can & do occur with a ref not ideally placed for making split second calls.