Election Year or Fear!

[SithHappens]

Yes stupid vandalism

It seems no-one here wants to have a sensible discussion but you appear to see things from a less blinkered perspective, so here's a question. You mentioned in a post a while back that (some of) your family and friends are feeling increasingly emboldened to be racist (in your judgement) etc in their comments. That suggests you consider them racist. Do you think they have BECOME racist over time, or do you think they have always been racist and the current climate has allowed them to be openly so? No trick question, I'm just interested

So my BIL has always been prone to racist comments but I do genuinely think that since Brexit he's been more openly racist.

My nieces husband really surprised me with some of his comments at a gathering last year. I was just surprised someone so young held those views.

My parents, I think it's more an age thing. They, especially mum, will lap up and believe everything the media tell them. She told me yesterday that she believes not only do Muslims etc not want to respect 'our' ways but they want 'us' to live like they do.

I do think there current climate enables people more, i dread to think what discussion is held when I'm not there.

[ramAnag]

Yes stupid vandalism

It seems no-one here wants to have a sensible discussion but you appear to see things from a less blinkered perspective, so here's a question. You mentioned in a post a while back that (some of) your family and friends are feeling increasingly emboldened to be racist (in your judgement) etc in their comments. That suggests you consider them racist. Do you think they have BECOME racist over time, or do you think they have always been racist and the current climate has allowed them to be openly so? No trick question, I'm just interested

‘It seems no-one here wants to have a sensible discussion…’.

I disagree. All the time in the world for a sensible discussion but, imo, you weren’t at all sensible and were out of order to claim initially that a) I’d made others out to be racist. b) I’d treated MA’s response differently from any other. c) Become arrogant and slightly rude when reminded that you hadn’t responded to the reply you asked me to provide.

It works both ways AF and it isn’t at all blinkered to suggest that there are forces at work to make racist attitudes and behaviours more acceptable.

You want sensible? Then how about you provide your honest opinion to a few questions.
1. How was it ever acceptable for someone to assume some sort of heroic status as a result of encouraging arson and murder?
2. Why do you appear to struggle so much with what you consider to be a disproportionate number of Black/Asian presenters? Why does it matter what colour/religion presenters are?
3. Do you agree or not that a large part of Farage and Trump’s (amongst others) agendas is to provide credibility and respectability to racist views?

There’s no trick from me either, but I’ve finished cutting the grass and am also genuinely interested.

[Andy_Faber]

So my BIL has always been prone to racist comments but I do genuinely think that since Brexit he's been more openly racist.

My nieces husband really surprised me with some of his comments at a gathering last year. I was just surprised someone so young held those views.

My parents, I think it's more an age thing. They, especially mum, will lap up and believe everything the media tell them. She told me yesterday that she believes not only do Muslims etc not want to respect 'our' ways but they want 'us' to live like they do.

I do think there current climate enables people more, i dread to think what discussion is held when I'm not there.

Thanks Sith, similar experience to my own

[SithHappens]

The big question is does RA have a really big lawn, or does he use scissors? 🤪

[ramAnag]

The big question is does RA have a really big lawn, or does he use scissors? ��

Lol…slightly bigger than Chatsworth if you listen to Tricky.

[SithHappens]

What i don't get is why have 'hotels' and small boats only become a major issue in the past 12 months?

By major issue i mean the coverage and protests. Not saying it never got mentioned but it never created the same amount of noise and division while the tories where in charge. The number housed peaked at a significantly higher amount under them than there is today.

It might be lower now had they not stopped processing applications.

Amazing too how the tories seem to know all the answers to solving it despite having done nothing for years before last year.

[Andy_Faber]

What i don't get is why have 'hotels' and small boats only become a major issue in the past 12 months?

By major issue i mean the coverage and protests. Not saying it never got mentioned but it never created the same amount of noise and division while the tories where in charge. The number housed peaked at a significantly higher amount under them than there is today.

It might be lower now had they not stopped processing applications.

Amazing too how the tories seem to know all the answers to solving it despite having done nothing for years before last year.

Coverage: because the news outlets need something to fall back on to fill their timeslots/pages and justify their existence

Increase since the Tories: I think the change in administration is just coincidental, 'the people' have just had enough of failed promises/initiatives and what they see as over-sympathetic treatment over the years. NB I wouldn't describe the Tories as hving been in control of anything in particular, hence Labour's chance

I'll beg to differ about 'answers', no-one knows the answer/answers, 'smashing the gangs' is just a silly catchphrase. I have a friend from Zanki in Iraq who describes this as a 'many-headed snake', chop one head off and another rises.

[ramAnag]

What i don't get is why have 'hotels' and small boats only become a major issue in the past 12 months?

By major issue i mean the coverage and protests. Not saying it never got mentioned but it never created the same amount of noise and division while the tories where in charge. The number housed peaked at a significantly higher amount under them than there is today.

An unhealthy and symbiotic combination of political opportunism and our annual national outbreak of moronic tribal thuggery, I suspect Sith.

[SithHappens]

Rumours on X that Trump died earlier this week.

I'm quite sure there is no truth in them mind.

[Andy_Faber]

Rumours on X that Trump died earlier this week.

I'm quite sure there is no truth in them mind.

False alarm, he just forgot his TruthSocial password