Election Year or Fear!

[ramAnag]

Me and Mrs F were in a similar situation (not so fatal, the guy was having a seizure so it was tongue out of throat, recovery position, loosen collar, look for meds instruction in his wallet, call ambulance blah blah) whilst folk were walking over him and driving round him/on their horns. In B & Q car park?….

Is that really a ‘similar situation’, helping someone having an epileptic seizure/heart attack(?) in a B&Q car park, compared to witnessing someone being knifed to death in a U.S. train compartment. ‘Not so fatal’ indeed…and not at all ‘similar’ either imo.

[SithHappens]

While the cause might he different there is a valid comparison though imo. Someone in need of help and people, for some reason, are too busy or disinterested to offer help. I sort of get people may be less inclined where there might be a danger to themselves so you could argue there is a difference there.

But while others failed, Andy offered help and that's worth praising even though I'm positive praise was the farthest thing from his kind at the time.

Having seen the video on that train I still find it hard to comprehend not one of those sat near her showed interest in helping her. Apparantly someone did offer help around 2 minutes later.

[Andy_Faber]

Is that really a ?similar situation?, helping someone having an epileptic RT seizure/heart attack(?) in a B&Q car park, compared to witnessing someone being knifed to death in a U.S. train compartment. ?Not so fatal? indeed?and not at all ?similar? either imo.

Not interested in your hair splitting rA especially as you will no doubt be 3 days behind regarding the incident

[ramAnag]

Not interested in your hair splitting rA especially as you will no doubt be 3 days behind regarding the incident

Fair do’s. I recognise Sith’s point about folks being reluctant to get involved, but really, beyond that there is no comparison between the two scenarios and if anyone else had turned that account into a story about you and Mrs.F helping someone in need you’d have been the first to accuse them of what you call ‘virtue signalling’.

BTW, why am I ‘3 days behind’? I know I’ve spent three days travelling by road and ferry this week but it’s not that hard to keep up.

[Andy_Faber]

While the cause might he different there is a valid comparison though imo. Someone in need of help and people, for some reason, are too busy or disinterested to offer help. I sort of get people may be less inclined where there might be a danger to themselves so you could argue there is a difference there.

But while others failed, Andy offered help and that's worth praising even though I'm positive praise was the farthest thing from his kind at the time.

Having seen the video on that train I still find it hard to comprehend not one of those sat near her showed interest in helping her. Apparantly someone did offer help around 2 minutes later.

I doubt we saved his life my point was the disinterest from others.

Regarding Kirk, It would appear that the predicted post assassination riots haven’t happened but theres a retribution of another sort going on - those who celebrated his killing on-line are being identified to their workplaces (in fact I believe there’s been an app set up for the purpose) and in many cases subsequently relieved of their jobs. I don’t agree with ‘cancel culture’ from whatever ‘side’ but this does seem to be evening things up.

[swaledale]

[QUOTE=Andy_Faber;40750450]As I said yesterday, nothing any of us have said since the year dot has moved anyone's worldview a fraction of a degree so you're really wasting your breath (as am I really). Swale seems incapable of comprehending that anyone would have a different view to him and you just tag along 6 months behind, fair enough but you've started to adopt his personal attack methods which is disappointing, 'youre better than that'. MA (who's opinions I disagree with a bit and agree with a bit) and Sith (likewise) don't feel the need to get personal, follow their example not Swale's.[/QUOTE

Except that's not strictly true, because according to you, your not right of centre with the occasional view that leans further to the right, yet, recent posts from you indicate you are very much right of centre, in fact your actually less up front than our other rabid right wing poster, he at least is openly xenophobic and racist, whereas you strive to appear reasonable whilst subtly supporting such views. So it would seem, what RA and I ahve said have pushed you further to the right.

Perhaps at least have the courage of your convictions rather than pretend? I mean its a short journey from thinking Farage/ Trump or whoever is spouting rabid nonsense, but has some good ideas to actually agreeing with more and more of what these people say and lets be honest there are enough posts on this forum by you which most reasoable people would find somewhat distasteful, whatever ones view of the world.

Its bloody funny when you say I can't comprehend people having a different view, because you couldn't be more wrong. That in itself demonstrates a blinkered view from you, I rather think its you who when having your views or claims challenged, find it awkward when you can provide no evidence or coherent reasoning to support those views.

The reason you get attacked, is purely because of your sarcastic, ignorant, attitude when asked to actually explain or back up your opinion. AS for RA attacking you, that's utter *******s, he has just got completely frustrated at your habit of posting some unverifiable rubbish and then failing when asked in a reasonable manner (by RA at least) to explain or justify your opinion.

Me I just think your an ignorant ****!

[swaledale]

On Charlie Kirk, I will admit to not really knowing anything about him before the horrible events this week.

I have read details on what he has supposed to have said and my initial thoughts were hed said some horrible things but what I can see is there is a lot of disinformation about the things he's supposed to have said and people are falling foul by making judgments without fact checking, look up Stephen King (yes that one) as an example.

He seems aligned to Trump, Musk and Farage so I expect I would strongly disagree with much hes said but I can't imagine anything he's said justifies what some are saying, and even celebrating his death.

His wife and young children have lost a husband and dad and that's tragic. And if it's true his dad handed him in, then that's got to be one of the most traumatic yet brave things a person can do.

Go to my post 4109 Sith, where I've summarised a selection of what he has said and you will soon get the idea! The guy is of the same cloth as Tate and others, racist, misogynistic, ***ist, homophobic, xenophobic etc. A far right rabble rouser, preaching hate, disinformation etc.

Obviously from AF's point of view, these guys need to be given a hearing, I mean every now and then they might say something coherent, but if you find right wing Nazi's (US version) abhorrent, the fact they might be right about the weather isn't really a reason to give them room to spread their poisonous nonsense!

AS for comments following his death, saying one is happy or glad about it is wrong, but describing the guy as a very nasty fascist and being clear about what he said and what he stood for is perfectly acceptable.

I've never been one for having much sympathy for people of that ilk alive or dead, but draw the line at "celebrating" his death, that just encourages more violence and is no way to win an argument.

Though let it be noted that recent democratic party politicians that have been killed, did not elicit sympathetic comments from Trump or most Republicans - thats not the way the far right play these things.

[swaledale]

Well put Sith. Too many people (inc on here) are clutching at straws and playing catch up with their hatred. I followed him (and his liberal adversaries) a lot, I disagreed totally with some of his beliefs but he debated, rather than indoctrinated.

More important than anything tome however is the life lost and the fatherless family. I know its US again but I find the murder of Iryna Zarutska, a total innocent, more troubling

No he ****ing didn't!! What planet are you on? The guy was totally trying to indoctrinate people and succeeding! In fact it seems he has at least partly succeeded with you!

Your stance on this matters is now making sense, your naïve enough to consider these are "reasonable" people, with a mix of ideas that some of which you agree with! In fact your indoctrinated, whilst calling others "blinkered!!

Jeez, how gullible can some people be?

[swaledale]

There’s only really been you, GP (sometimes) and Tricky with right wing views, AF.
You repeatedly deny it, GP plays at it and, in your own words from long ago, threatens to leave the forum more than anyone else, and I doubt very much that I’ve bullied anyone, least of all TTR who thrives off and instigates conflict.

‘Bullied, bored or bull****ted people away with a different view?. There’s another b word you’ve missed - bollux - and you know it.

For the record, I take exception to right wing bullying of the type that is currently rife in this country and which you seem to tacitly defend. I always will do, but I totally accept that people have different views and it is only by arguing your case that minds can be changed, hence perhaps the 4000 plus responses to this thread. People hardly seem to have been bullied away from that have they? Here’s a thought, perhaps the problem lies with the unreliability of the forum rather than the person who started the most responded to thread.

It rather looks RA as if AF has been indoctrinated! All the signs are there, he hates being challenged directly over his opinions or world view, he finds far right people's views, acceptable in certain circumstances, he thinks Kirk was debating, rather than preaching and spreading for the purposes of indoctrination his obnoxious views. he thinks me saying such views are obnoxious is blinkered!

Bless him, his mind has been captured and he doesn't even notice, even getting shirty when I labelled him centre right! I was wrong, he is to the right of being centre right, not quite in the far right space, but tempted by it, where it seems to agree with his narrow anecdotal view of the world.

I can see him voting Reform come the next election for sure.

[Andy_Faber]

Go to my post 4109 Sith, where I've summarised a selection of what he has said and you will soon get the idea!

…specifically that Swale has learned the art of cutting and pasting and hasn’t included the context of any of it - please find the quotes for yourself in context, you may agree with some and disagree with some, like most people, but make your own mind up

I joked last week about Swale calling rA’s grass a Nazi but it’s getting to that stage, anyone who disagrees with him is a Nazi and it’s straight out of the far left playbook, depressingly predictable