Election Year or Fear!

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An interesting selection of (lets say) disingenuous politicians to be kind. Curious that the lying warmonger is omitted from the list and I might add Abbot - although thats probably more stupidity than dishonesty - but I wouldnt argue the merits of those you did name. Some may invoke the Nuremburg defence but Im not buying that.

Having been away for some weeks I cant comment on who complains the most about the site mechanics, I suspect we all do, but I have noted that you seem to blame Andy for it / not fixing it whereas most others simply report its problems. Yes he is the "face of the franchise" by virtue of his role but it appears from his responses that (assuming he is to be believed) he is fighting something of a kafkaesque wall of silence and is powerless as the rest of us cockroaches to find answers.

I think we have to face facts that its dying both structurally and membership wise and adapt to life without it. I have to say the past few weeks away have been cathartic and I didnt really miss the "debate" although the football content may have helped during the bleak start to the season. The break has made me realise that the views in here are so deeply entranched that debate isnt really more than a waste of breath. People come to state their view rather than with open minds to consider possibilities and I have singled you out as prime example - although Swale is not for turning either, he does sometimes conced points. Sorry if this might have upset you but its only rhetoric

I think by referring to the ‘last decade or so’ Blair was disqualified.

We’ve done the Andy being to blame thing in your absence. He isn’t, but the state of the forum is, imo, a reason for its slow demise. People haven’t got the time to keep reposting/correcting etc.

I’m not sure views are as ‘entrenched’ as you and AF make out. You might seek to mischievously adopt the personna of a bigoted old right wing curmudgeon, but I suspect you’d have felt just about as uncomfortable at the Robinson/Musk rally last weekend as me.

The rhetoric comment wasn’t even aimed at you - don’t flatter yourself. It was aimed at those in the media who damn everything that Starmer does/says seemingly without thought and just for the sake of it.