Taking the knee

[ozleeds]

Same response as to OW. You don't live here so all your opinions about the state of the UK are without basis.

You know, someone was saying over here just yesterday, if the mass immigration crisis all over the Western world is not real, and you are in denial, wait until something happens to your own family before you realise it is real. The so-called fags, queers, and LGBT idiots protesting for a non-country and known terrorists whom even other muslims don't want anywhere near them. Here yesterday in Melbourne, show what is really happening. I only need to ask you one question, and that is, if the muslims are so friendly and nice people, why don't they stay in their own homes instead of spreading their wings? And if they are running away like they say in fear of terrors and all other BS, why are they still believing their BS and causing trouble everywhere they go? Ohh, I know you can't answer cause you're in denial and it's not happening. I just wish one of them would burn your English flag in front of you so you can realise what they are really like.

[WTF11]

You know, someone was saying over here just yesterday, if the mass immigration crisis all over the Western world is not real, and you are in denial, wait until something happens to your own family before you realise it is real. The so-called fags, queers, and LGBT idiots protesting for a non-country and known terrorists whom even other muslims don't want anywhere near them. Here yesterday in Melbourne, show what is really happening. I only need to ask you one question, and that is, if the muslims are so friendly and nice people, why don't they stay in their own homes instead of spreading their wings? And if they are running away like they say in fear of terrors and all other BS, why are they still believing their BS and causing trouble everywhere they go? Ohh, I know you can't answer cause you're in denial and it's not happening. I just wish one of them would burn your English flag in front of you so you can realise what they are really like.

Did I say that there wasn't a crisis in terms of how the world addresses immigration? Errr, no I did not.

Not quite sure what you're on about when you switch from anti-muslim, to anti anything but the straight community. You might want to examine the contributions to world history made by those who (presumably) have a different ***ual orientation to yours (Alan Turing, helped break the German military codes during WWII and was instrumental in developing the first crude but revolutionary computers), committed suicide when is ***ual orientation was made public, Oscar Wilde, one of literatures giants, jailed for being homo***ual, there are many, many more.

I haven't the faintest idea what happened in Melbourne, and I have even less interest. It's on the other side of the world and as I have indicated, I don't offer opinions about the lives and environments I have absolutely no familiarity with, you should try that approach sometime.

Back to anti-muslim rhetoric......you do appreciate that islam is a religion, and those of the muslim faith come from all walks of life, all colours, all ethnicities? Because its a RELIGION, not a nationality, there may be a white family who are followers of islam, living next door to a black family who are baptist christians, and they both "stay in their own homes" because thats where they live? Does that offend your sense of right and wrong?

And why should those who seek to escape persecution, for whatever reason, be expected to renounce their religion (I take it that's what you refer when you mention their belief in "their BS") when they go to another country (here, mainland Europe, anywhere but where they fear persecution)? Would you?

And finally, how would I react when (not if) I see a Union Jack burned? I'm incensed, and were I to be close enough to the event, I might well intervene, but (fortunately for all concerned) that hasn't happened to me yet, but it has happened, and it wasn't a muslim who did it, but a card carrying, supposedly christian member of the Labour party, the party currently in government here in the UK.

I'm very well aware that the UK isn't perfect, for many reasons and in many ways, but by and large we rub along pretty well,. It may be otherwise where you are, I don't know, and being brutally honest I don't care that much. Yours is a democracy, like ours and many others, all have their failings, and it's up to those who believe in democracy to put things right, or accept the consequences of sitting on your hands..

[ozleeds]

Did I say that there wasn't a crisis in terms of how the world addresses immigration? Errr, no I did not.

Not quite sure what you're on about when you switch from anti-muslim, to anti anything but the straight community. You might want to examine the contributions to world history made by those who (presumably) have a different ***ual orientation to yours (Alan Turing, helped break the German military codes during WWII and was instrumental in developing the first crude but revolutionary computers), committed suicide when is ***ual orientation was made public, Oscar Wilde, one of literatures giants, jailed for being homo***ual, there are many, many more.

I haven't the faintest idea what happened in Melbourne, and I have even less interest. It's on the other side of the world and as I have indicated, I don't offer opinions about the lives and environments I have absolutely no familiarity with, you should try that approach sometime.

Back to anti-muslim rhetoric......you do appreciate that islam is a religion, and those of the muslim faith come from all walks of life, all colours, all ethnicities? Because its a RELIGION, not a nationality, there may be a white family who are followers of islam, living next door to a black family who are baptist christians, and they both "stay in their own homes" because thats where they live? Does that offend your sense of right and wrong?

And why should those who seek to escape persecution, for whatever reason, be expected to renounce their religion (I take it that's what you refer when you mention their belief in "their BS") when they go to another country (here, mainland Europe, anywhere but where they fear persecution)? Would you?

And finally, how would I react when (not if) I see a Union Jack burned? I'm incensed, and were I to be close enough to the event, I might well intervene, but (fortunately for all concerned) that hasn't happened to me yet, but it has happened, and it wasn't a muslim who did it, but a card carrying, supposedly christian member of the Labour party, the party currently in government here in the UK.

I'm very well aware that the UK isn't perfect, for many reasons and in many ways, but by and large we rub along pretty well,. It may be otherwise where you are, I don't know, and being brutally honest I don't care that much. Yours is a democracy, like ours and many others, all have their failings, and it's up to those who believe in democracy to put things right, or accept the consequences of sitting on your hands..

Yah and hitler liked raping woman, Hussain was a pedophile, Putin is a ****er, Trump his everything and your starmer is worse than albonese here and he is rotten to the core.
I get the feeling your not too bright as first you tell us not to speak about the UK as we don't live there yet you feel comfortable to speak your mind about trump. The BS bible of the slasher tells them to branch out preach there beliefs and those that don't buy into to it kill them. You really don't know much and as you also say you don't care very much of the ongoings but feel good about comming in here arguing about anything and everything. A will leave you with another history lesson did you know most parts of the arab world eg Syria Iran egypt were christian hummm thats what that BS religion that you welcome does and will do in your own country but than you don't give a farke.

[spaldy]

Trump is not why the US or World is divided. Step back and assess the lazy statement. The US has been divided since the founding days. Jefferson and Adams hated each other and both were the leaders of their political schools of thought. We also fought a little war called the Civil war that killed or maimed over a Million American citizens. If you believe that war was because of Slavery you need to go back and brush up on it. It was fought over States rights vs Federal control. Slavery was the scapegoat that was created afterwards to sugar coat the issue. The US government won but the ongoing underlying conflict has raged on ever since and will likley never go away. The only thing that unites us is when a foreign power attacks us.

Many kids these days are not taught Civics, Government or History so the lack of integrity in reporting and journalism is not questioned or independently ascertained. It's treated like gospel It's sad that they have so little capability for independent thought or analysis.

The issue came to a boil last election when Trump won 90+% of all of the counties in the US as well as the majority of states. If it wasn't for large urban centers (that want to control how all of us live) he would have won all 50 states.

My guess is that the US isn't the only country in the world where centralized command and control is resisted.

[WTF11]

Trump is not why the US or World is divided. Step back and assess the lazy statement. The US has been divided since the founding days. Jefferson and Adams hated each other and both were the leaders of their political schools of thought. We also fought a little war called the Civil war that killed or maimed over a Million American citizens. If you believe that war was because of Slavery you need to go back and brush up on it. It was fought over States rights vs Federal control. Slavery was the scapegoat that was created afterwards to sugar coat the issue. The US government won but the ongoing underlying conflict has raged on ever since and will likley never go away. The only thing that unites us is when a foreign power attacks us.

Many kids these days are not taught Civics, Government or History so the lack of integrity in reporting and journalism is not questioned or independently ascertained. It's treated like gospel It's sad that they have so little capability for independent thought or analysis.

The issue came to a boil last election when Trump won 90+% of all of the counties in the US as well as the majority of states. If it wasn't for large urban centers (that want to control how all of us live) he would have won all 50 states.

My guess is that the US isn't the only country in the world where centralized command and control is resisted.

The "founding days"... You mean back to the days when the war of independence was over (late 1700's)? when France and Spain decided that for their own benefit it would be beneficial to support the forces under Washington and ally their forces against those of the English? So, your wonderful "liberation" and the equally wonderful republic that followed, depended on the support from two nations who then, and for about the next 200 years were, in turn, fascist dictatorships or nazi collaborators, must make you feel proud every 4th of July..