Taking the knee

[Oranje White]

@ WTF...you demonstrate your utter cluelessness with the tired nonsense of 'nazi'and 'facist' etc. Can you name anyone removed or murdered by Trump for disliking him? Did the nazis round up people and.....deport them?
Secure borders is NOT facist or nazi style.
Criminals jailed is NOT facist or nazi style.
Deporting illegals is NOT facist or nazi style.
Right to bear arms is NOT facist or nazi style.
Free speech is NOT facist or nazi style.
Women's right to privacy is NOT facist or nazi style.
Fair competition is NOT facist or nazi style.
But....and here's the left for you....
Forced "vaccines" is facist/nazi style.
Disarming the population is facist/nazi style.
Political prosecutions is facist/nazi style.
Intel agencies politicised is facist/nazi style.
Forced acceptance is facist/nazi style.
Political opponents on lists is facist/nazi style.
Restricted speech is facist/nazi style.
If Trump was a nazi or facist how come de Niro etc are not rotting in prison? For someone your age, you show a surprising lack of understanding of words that you throw around. By copying the liars in your group-think, you have zero credibility. Learn WTF a "nazi" is or a "facist" before you're regarded as a demented fool like de Niro or Rosie O'Donnell or Biden.

[WTF11]

Can you name anyone removed or murdered by Trump for disliking him? Err, what are you talking about?

Did the nazis round up people and.....deport them?

Err, yes they did, by the trainload, in their millions (you dispute this?), across all of the countries they occupied during WWII. Where they were deported to turned out to be a series of industrial-scale killing factories, set up with the aim of furthering the aims of their creators, the German Nazi Party (see below for definition of Nazism)

Secure borders is NOT facist or nazi style.

- Has anyone (me included) suggested that it is?

Criminals jailed is NOT facist or nazi style.

- Ditto for the secure borders question

Deporting illegals is NOT facist or nazi style.

- And again, but lets understand who is deemed “illegal” and what due process has been used to establish the states right to deport them

Right to bear arms is NOT facist or nazi style.

– Irrelevant, given the situation in the UK (please see below for comment out “disarming”

Free speech is NOT facist or nazi style.

– Quite so, very much agree but who determines what is free speech? Your constitution attempts to do so, but as with all government legislature and the underpinnings it depends on, interpretation is everything, “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” in all things.

Women's right to privacy is NOT facist or nazi style.

– Again, very much agree and I suspect this comment relates to the debate on trans rights, something all countries are struggling with, including the USA and the UK

Fair competition is NOT facist or nazi style.

– Define “fair competition”? As an example take specialist UK steel, imported by the US for use in your nuclear submarine construction for the US Navy, and up to February, tariff free. Since March this year that changed, and UK steel is now subject to a 25% tariff. It might be worth bearing in mind that the steel I’m talking about CANNOT be made in the US, you don’t have the technology, so any suggestion that it was “dumped” on the US is clearly wrong. Trump hasn’t got the faintest idea as to how complex world economics work, he is incapable of understanding that his “deals” damage all parties (the steel used by those constructing US Navy submarines now HAVE to pay 25% more for their steel, which goes to the US Treasury, guess where it goes from there!

But....and here's the left for you....

Forced "vaccines" is facist/nazi style.

– I presume you are pointing at the UK there? Not ONE SINGLE person in the UK has EVER been forced to accept vaccine administration. That applies to ALL vaccines, now and historically. You will not find any evidence of such practice because it doesn’t exist. Try, by all means. What CAN be found is the disasterous effect that vaccine nay-sayers such as Andrew Wakefield and others more recently such as Kennedy, on the VOLUNTARY take-up of vaccines here in the UK (and elsewhere), leading to the return as a major public health issue of Measles, Whooping cough, Polio, Diptheria, Mumps, and Chickenpox (amongst others) all of which were almost unheard of until the vaccination misinformation machine went into overdrive during Covid.

Disarming the population is facist/nazi style.

– Again, aiming (forgive the pun) at the UK? You can’t disarm those who are not armed, and in the UK the civilian population are NOT (with some very limited exceptions) armed, nor have they been armed in past 200 years or so, with one exception during WWII when the “dads army” became the formalised Home Guard. The Guard was disbanded shortly after WWII ended and all arms handed in for disposal. Fortunately the rule of law here is enforced by a largely unarmed police force. Specially trained officers are issued with a variety of lethal weapons, and equally fortunately, the absence of widespread armed civilians makes it much easier for those officers to tell the good guys from the not so good ones. There are no groups demanding that the policy should change, largely because we can see what happens when the “right to bear arms” is acted upon. We value the lives of our children too much to allow anything of the sort to happen.

Political prosecutions is facist/nazi style.

– Agreed, and that’s exactly what we are seeing across the US where the DoJ is being used to prosecute those who Trump doesn’t like now, or who may have transgressed against him in the past

Intel agencies politicised is facist/nazi style.

– Amen, and please examine all those who are heading major organs of government including the FBI

Forced acceptance is facist/nazi style.

- Forced acceptance of what? If you want an example of (potential) forced acceptance look at the stance Trump is taking on the war in Ukraine, where he seems to be favouring a halt to hostilities based on current front lines, which if translated into a long term “peace” deal, would mean that nearly 20% of Ukraine would be FORCED to become Russia (not including the Crimean peninsula illegally annexed by Russia in 2014)

Political opponents on lists is facist/nazi style.

– And Trump has plenty of lists

Restricted speech is facist/nazi style.

– Restricted by? Again u are perhaps referring to the UK? As I mentioned in another post on the subject, I am fairly certain that I can say or do anything I like unless it’s inciting violence (Which I think is a reasonable limit, you don’t?). I might end up in a fight if someone really takes offence, but that’s a risk you take if you espouse controversial, sometimes upsetting opinions, something we all have to bear in mind.

If Trump was a nazi or facist how come de Niro etc are not rotting in prison?

– I have no idea what you are referring to so I can’t answer.

I really don’t know what you are talking about when you utter such garbage as “the liars in my group-think”. I’ve said on many occasions in the past that I form my opinions and views for myself, I use CREDIBLE sources of information, not click-bait and all the sh1te that infests the web, unlike some. I don’t need “influencers” or those with vested interests in a particular outcome to do that.

Couple of definitions/descriptions, since you suggested I don't know them;

Nazism

Nazism (or more correctly “neo-nazism”), is a form of fascism with an extreme ultranationalism, based on social Darwinism and pseudo-scientific racial theories, which proposed that certain races were superior
Nazism holds that society should aspire to a "master race" and aims to create a racially homogeneous society by excluding and persecuting those deemed "inferior" or "community aliens”.

The ideology supports a dictatorial leader and a totalitarian state, dismantling liberal democracy and parliamentary systems. Trump is rapidly emulating the achievements of Adolf Hitler ruling as a dictator with absolute power.

Fascism

Fascism fosters the notion of A single, centralized autocracy led by a dictator who holds supreme power, often seizing control forcefully or by dismantling democratic institutions. Ultranationalism is a key characteristic with exclusionary form of nationalism as a core principle, placing the importance of the nation above all else. This can involve the concept of a "master race" and the demonization of minorities. Fascism embraces paramilitarism and the idea that the nation is strengthened through military power and national unity. Opposition, dissent, and criticism are suppressed through violence and oppression to maintain control. The state exerts strong control over social and economic life, and individual interests are subordinated to the state's will. Fascism is fundamentally opposed to democracy, liberalism, pluralism, and individual rights.

Those two sound familiar?

[WTF11]

Just a short.follow-up on the query regarding the right to bear arms;

https://www.google.com/search?q=comp...HIyBhbIP3r3EMA

I'd prefer our policing system to that of the USA all f00king day long, glad some of you are so proud of your dealing with death, althiugh you get so much practice at it I guess that's understandable.