Quote Originally Posted by bordering View Post
I expect an avalanche of criticism but there are always2 sides to every story.

I am not a fan of Andrew - I think he was badly advised- he should have admitted he had *** with this Giuffre woman .

He had *** with her , she was 17 - age of consent in UK is 16

- She did not say to him no I don't want to............ or help me I am a trafficked *** slave or she could have got out of their clutches for 5 minutes and say help me to a passer by a copper but she did not- she was in airports a few times not short of security staff.

She was getting first class travel , good food , holidays gifts. Maybe she was being trafficked but not by Andrew.

Maybe just maybe she thought on reflection having *** with a prince did not seem that bad after all. She was 17 - in the UK the law says she is old enough to decide.

It seems strange that the story explodes after Epstein is dead and more info comes out after she is dead .

I think Andrew is a fool . badly advised but if he had owned the *** act with the Giuffre then you might tut-tut but it would be an act of *** between consenting adults.
Still tut-tutting - have you seen the quality of good looking women who hang round footballers - I suppose that's because they are nice , well mannered , considerate young men and not because of the cash and the glamour.

I expect the avalanche of criticism but there are 2 sides to every story and Giuffre had many chances to bail out.
There are numerous tangents to each and every narrative and personal experience. With that in mind I am most definitely not going to criticise you or your words here.

Having only been able to speed read your post however I imagine you're in the very fortunate position of never having been groomed, coerced or made to feel less than your genuine worth.

I have no idea of her backstory or hopes and dreams for the future when younger but I can't imagine they involved getting humped and passed around by numerous swinging dicks.

As for Andrew, Epstein and Maxwell I don't think it's beyond the wit of man or any other pronoun to imagine their up bringings led them to a certain sense of power and entitlement.