OT Corrupt BBC at it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mygiddypant]

Desperate hard,far left geriatrics,who could well be employed at the BBC.It's sad.

I think I know where the desperation comes from Bill.

[Eternal Optimist]

Let's talk about Reform -

https://x.com/BotFinderUK/status/1987881598050566394


https://x.com/donmcgowan/status/1987613437959045253

Keep it up Diddy - it's a laugh a minute.

Your first link that you and your Lefty nut-job mates are getting so 'giddy' about () shows a Russian man protesting at an anti gay demonstration in Moscow on October 30th 2010. Here he is...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism_in_Russia

Your second link shows the UKIP Leader - nothing to do with Reform.

We can smell your desperation, and it smells good.

Have you popped the lid off the bottle early tonight or is it the continuing TDS that's fried your brain?

[howdydoo]

Keep it up Diddy - it's a laugh a minute.

Your first link that you and your Lefty nut-job mates are getting so 'giddy' about () shows a Russian man protesting at an anti gay demonstration in Moscow on October 30th 2010. Here he is...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism_in_Russia

Your second link shows the UKIP Leader - nothing to do with Reform.

We can smell your desperation, and it smells good.

Have you popped the lid off the bottle early tonight or is it the continuing TDS that's fried your brain?

Haha.

Hard to come back from that.

What a fu@kwitt.

[ragingpup]

Raging , come on your better than this .

You don't have to be in power to drive various agendas , Reform aren't in government in the UK but they are squeezing Labour's testicles good and proper on a number of things and Labour are having to respond .

I'm pretty sure you are aware of the influence of lobbyists too , Brussels is full of them and they get results .

Do you actually believe the Chinese are suddenly going all Green and environmental ? , the Chinese aren't really answerable to anyone and given we are fast reaching the stage where they are the only place we can source our products from i pretty much doubt they are likely to incur extra costs and put Europe back in the game .

I work in the chemical sector raging , we are having to source more and more of our chemicals from China as the European manufacturing market disintegrates , it's unlikely there will be anyone left manufacturing chemicals in Europe in 5 years time .

You might not like this Raging but the right arent entirely wrong on all this Green business and it's going to lead to huge job loses whilst the Chinese clean up , no pun intended .

I'm doing my best animal

Yes, I'm aware of the impact of green lobbyists, what I'm trying to say is that this is one part of a very complex set of interactions, and it is simply not the full story to only point to one of them.

I don't think you can argue that to respond to the climate change picture, and with best intentions as many take the planet threat seriously, when compared to the continuation of fossil fuel mining, and to legislate for that, costs us all in the here and now. But are you in favour of the alternative - to simply keep digging despite the worsening climate picture, simply to keep prices down in the here and now? Is that your position?

No I don't believe that the Chinese have 'suddenly going all green and environmental' - but these changes have been happening recently:

-China's CO2 emissions fell by 1.6% year-on-year in the first quarter of 2025 and by 1% over the latest 12 months, mainly driven by rapid growth in clean power sources such as wind, solar, and nuclear energy, which have started to displace coal power despite increased electricity demand.​

-Power-sector emissions in China have been stable or falling for over 18 months, with power-sector emissions dropping 2% year-on-year in the 12 months to March 2025. This trend suggests a peak and gradual decline in emissions in the energy sector.​

-By 2024, China surpassed its 2030 targets ahead of schedule for the combined installed capacity of wind and solar power (1,400 GW versus a target of 1,200 GW) and increased forest stock volume beyond its goal. The share of non-fossil fuels in China’s energy mix is also on track to meet or exceed targets without additional effort.​

-China is expanding renewable energy infrastructure, with large ongoing construction of wind and solar capacity and transitioning to a new pricing system that supports renewable energy development.​

-Despite ongoing challenges like coal-fired power plants and emissions from some industrial sectors, China's government has pledged to cap its carbon emissions by 2030 and reduce them by 7-10% from the peak by 2035, signaling official commitment to emission reductions.

There are the following legislation changes in the last couple of years:

-The draft Environmental Code of China, unveiled in 2025, is the country's first comprehensive environmental law consolidating existing regulations. It sets principles for green and low-carbon development, climate change mitigation and adaptation, and ecosystem protection. The code assigns clear institutional responsibilities, with the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC) leading carbon peaking and neutrality efforts and the Ministry of Ecology and Environment overseeing climate strategies including emissions reporting and carbon market management. This code marks a shift toward an integrated legal mechanism for climate action and environmental governance.​

-China's Energy Law of 2025 emphasizes renewable energy development (solar, wind, hydrogen) to reduce fossil fuel dependence and meet "dual carbon" goals: carbon peak by 2030 and carbon neutrality by 2060. The law requires setting long-term renewable energy targets, accelerating renewable infrastructure construction, and supporting technological innovation in energy storage and conservation.​

-The National Carbon Emissions Trading System (ETS), launched in 2021 and formalized with interim regulations in 2024, regulates major emitting sectors such as power, steel, cement, and aluminum. The ETS is expanding its coverage to all major emission-intensive industries by 2027 and will implement a cap-and-trade mechanism with free and paid allowances by 2030 to incentivize emissions reductions.​

-China's Constitution (amended in 2018) includes a national development vision towards an "ecological civilization." The Chinese Civil Code (effective 2021) embeds environmental and ecological principles, including resource conservation and environmental protection becoming principles in contract law, which supports climate-related litigation and enforcement.​

-China’s Five-Year Plans remain important policy documents guiding economic and environmental targets, including carbon intensity reductions and expanding renewable energy capacity.​


This is from brief AI searches but the sources drawn from are Reuters , Carbon Brief etc. Unless you can find evidence to contrary?

I don't think this is a sudden evolution of pure green conscience, but just a move (slowly) towards where the EU went - a realisation that without changes we may not have an inhabitable home, but probably more imprortantly, that investment in green energy is a better mid/long term business proposition.

[howdydoo]

I'm doing my best animal

Yes, I'm aware of the impact of green lobbyists, what I'm trying to say is that this is one part of a very complex set of interactions, and it is simply not the full story to only point to one of them.

I don't think you can argue that to respond to the climate change picture, and with best intentions as many take the planet threat seriously, when compared to the continuation of fossil fuel mining, and to legislate for that, costs us all in the here and now. But are you in favour of the alternative - to simply keep digging despite the worsening climate picture, simply to keep prices down in the here and now? Is that your position?

No I don't believe that the Chinese have 'suddenly going all green and environmental' - but these changes have been happening recently:

-China's CO2 emissions fell by 1.6% year-on-year in the first quarter of 2025 and by 1% over the latest 12 months, mainly driven by rapid growth in clean power sources such as wind, solar, and nuclear energy, which have started to displace coal power despite increased electricity demand.​

-Power-sector emissions in China have been stable or falling for over 18 months, with power-sector emissions dropping 2% year-on-year in the 12 months to March 2025. This trend suggests a peak and gradual decline in emissions in the energy sector.​

-By 2024, China surpassed its 2030 targets ahead of schedule for the combined installed capacity of wind and solar power (1,400 GW versus a target of 1,200 GW) and increased forest stock volume beyond its goal. The share of non-fossil fuels in China’s energy mix is also on track to meet or exceed targets without additional effort.​

-China is expanding renewable energy infrastructure, with large ongoing construction of wind and solar capacity and transitioning to a new pricing system that supports renewable energy development.​

-Despite ongoing challenges like coal-fired power plants and emissions from some industrial sectors, China's government has pledged to cap its carbon emissions by 2030 and reduce them by 7-10% from the peak by 2035, signaling official commitment to emission reductions.

There are the following legislation changes in the last couple of years:

-The draft Environmental Code of China, unveiled in 2025, is the country's first comprehensive environmental law consolidating existing regulations. It sets principles for green and low-carbon development, climate change mitigation and adaptation, and ecosystem protection. The code assigns clear institutional responsibilities, with the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC) leading carbon peaking and neutrality efforts and the Ministry of Ecology and Environment overseeing climate strategies including emissions reporting and carbon market management. This code marks a shift toward an integrated legal mechanism for climate action and environmental governance.​

-China's Energy Law of 2025 emphasizes renewable energy development (solar, wind, hydrogen) to reduce fossil fuel dependence and meet "dual carbon" goals: carbon peak by 2030 and carbon neutrality by 2060. The law requires setting long-term renewable energy targets, accelerating renewable infrastructure construction, and supporting technological innovation in energy storage and conservation.​

-The National Carbon Emissions Trading System (ETS), launched in 2021 and formalized with interim regulations in 2024, regulates major emitting sectors such as power, steel, cement, and aluminum. The ETS is expanding its coverage to all major emission-intensive industries by 2027 and will implement a cap-and-trade mechanism with free and paid allowances by 2030 to incentivize emissions reductions.​

-China's Constitution (amended in 2018) includes a national development vision towards an "ecological civilization." The Chinese Civil Code (effective 2021) embeds environmental and ecological principles, including resource conservation and environmental protection becoming principles in contract law, which supports climate-related litigation and enforcement.​

-China’s Five-Year Plans remain important policy documents guiding economic and environmental targets, including carbon intensity reductions and expanding renewable energy capacity.​


This is from brief AI searches but the sources drawn from are Reuters , Carbon Brief etc. Unless you can find evidence to contrary?

I don't think this is a sudden evolution of pure green conscience, but just a move (slowly) towards where the EU went - a realisation that without changes we may not have an inhabitable home, but probably more imprortantly, that investment in green energy is a better mid/long term business proposition.

This thread is turning into pure comedy gold. I don't know where the BBC bit went but we've got Raging defending China's green policies now.

Let me spell it out: China, USA, RUSSIA, INDIA etc do not give a sh!t. Let's take your friends China. At the turn of the century China's CO2 Emissions stood at 3,659,949,740 Tonnes, representing 14.28% of the worlds emissions. By 2022, the figure had increased to 12,667,428,430 Tonnes representing 32.88% of global emissions.

UK same period the global amount fell from 2.14% to 0.88% in the same period.

Yet you want to congratulate them and buy their spin. Talk about gullible.


Nothing wrong with green policies so long as you don't go bankrupt in the process. That's what the UK are doing. Our emissions in the grand scheme of things are nothing. Especially when you see where the major countries stand.

As for the BBC. There's clear bias in that organisation. I hope it's the beginning of the end for them. Didn't listen when they should have done.

[howdydoo]

Timed out and lost some of my post when I posted:

History tells you that technology moves on at breakneck speed. Cleaner fuels and cleaner technology are around the corner. What you don't do is abandon every principle and method of growth and make yourself bankrupt before the technology comes on line. China may have reduced emissions slightly but be assured they're building whatever dirty fossil facilities are needed to get there. The good old UK just wave the white flag.

[Stovicmiller]

Meanwhile a four lane highways been ploughed through the Amazon jungle uprooting 100,000 trees for the cop 30. What climate crisis.

[ragingpup]

This thread is turning into pure comedy gold. I don't know where the BBC bit went but we've got Raging defending China's green policies now.

Let me spell it out: China, USA, RUSSIA, INDIA etc do not give a sh!t. Let's take your friends China. At the turn of the century China's CO2 Emissions stood at 3,659,949,740 Tonnes, representing 14.28% of the worlds emissions. By 2022, the figure had increased to 12,667,428,430 Tonnes representing 32.88% of global emissions.

UK same period the global amount fell from 2.14% to 0.88% in the same period.

Yet you want to congratulate them and buy their spin. Talk about gullible.


Nothing wrong with green policies so long as you don't go bankrupt in the process. That's what the UK are doing. Our emissions in the grand scheme of things are nothing. Especially when you see where the major countries stand.

As for the BBC. There's clear bias in that organisation. I hope it's the beginning of the end for them. Didn't listen when they should have done.

Always happy to amuse you howdy. Not defending China, just pointing out facts that there appears to be a changing scenario there - and amused myself to hear you talk about Reuters doing China's spinning for them. And as most of the legislation has occured only in the last two years, Carbon Dioxide has passed on the message for me to tell you that it is indeed working on lowering it's output, but would like to stress that "these things take time y'know" whilst pointing out that "Howdy can moan all he likes about my speed, but you should see that fat ******* try and climb the stairs". Cheeky one is CO2.

Not sure we can go broke in the process when overall estimated spending on green structure is 0.8% of GDP but yes, that's still a lot. I think it blinkered though to view the UK's emissions in isolation - I would say you have to look at it as part of the overall picture, with some good news that the efforts of those countries that have made an effort to transition resulting in at least a slowing of carbon emissions and even signs of a decline in recent months, including in the higher polluting countries:

https://climatetrace.org/news/climat...emissions-data

I think the UK and other countries making such transitions have played a ***** role in this but still a long way to go.

And then, should our rate of change not be intervened by Mother Nature timing us out and deciding to kill us off, or if we can avoid bankruptcy by our 0.8% of GDP spending on green infrastructure, then the mid to long term picture will bring a much greater economic return than if we had just stayed with fossil fuels.

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2022...illion-a-year/
https://www.mckinsey.com/capabilitie...it-could-bring
https://environment.yale.edu/news/ar...climate-change
https://www.oxfordeconomics.com/reso...n-opportunity/
https://www.climatepolicyinitiative....t-of-inaction/


Admittedly, we could save a lot of money in the here and now, side with corporations that want to max out their profits and continue heating the planet until our kids and grandkids have to deal with what we won't be around to see. But I think the UK and other countries making this transition are doing the right thing in making an investment that will pay off down the line from an economic sense, but also co-leading the work that might mean that there's an Earth for an economy can exist on.

[howdydoo]

Always happy to amuse you howdy. Not defending China, just pointing out facts that there appears to be a changing scenario there - and amused myself to hear you talk about Reuters doing China's spinning for them. And as most of the legislation has occured only in the last two years, Carbon Dioxide has passed on the message for me to tell you that it is indeed working on lowering it's output, but would like to stress that "these things take time y'know" whilst pointing out that "Howdy can moan all he likes about my speed, but you should see that fat ******* try and climb the stairs". Cheeky one is CO2.

Not sure we can go broke in the process when overall estimated spending on green structure is 0.8% of GDP but yes, that's still a lot. I think it blinkered though to view the UK's emissions in isolation - I would say you have to look at it as part of the overall picture, with some good news that the efforts of those countries that have made an effort to transition resulting in at least a slowing of carbon emissions and even signs of a decline in recent months, including in the higher polluting countries:

https://climatetrace.org/news/climat...emissions-data

I think the UK and other countries making such transitions have played a ***** role in this but still a long way to go.

And then, should our rate of change not be intervened by Mother Nature timing us out and deciding to kill us off, or if we can avoid bankruptcy by our 0.8% of GDP spending on green infrastructure, then the mid to long term picture will bring a much greater economic return than if we had just stayed with fossil fuels.

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2022...illion-a-year/
https://www.mckinsey.com/capabilitie...it-could-bring
https://environment.yale.edu/news/ar...climate-change
https://www.oxfordeconomics.com/reso...n-opportunity/
https://www.climatepolicyinitiative....t-of-inaction/


Admittedly, we could save a lot of money in the here and now, side with corporations that want to max out their profits and continue heating the planet until our kids and grandkids have to deal with what we won't be around to see. But I think the UK and other countries making this transition are doing the right thing in making an investment that will pay off down the line from an economic sense, but also co-leading the work that might mean that there's an Earth for an economy can exist on.

Stop scaremongering on climate change. It exists but come on. Only thing I can agree with you on is that it needs cooperation to address it. When the top polluters represent 75% of global emissions don't be the little guy who stands alone. When they come to the table fair enough.

Your kids and 'grandkids' live in the 'here and now'. If you can bring prosperity now do it. Dont count on, it will be alright tomorrow. Four years ago 4% of my taxes were spent on the national debt and for last tax year it's now over 11%.

Someone, somewhere needs to get a grip.

[ragingpup]

Stop scaremongering on climate change. It exists but come on. Only thing I can agree with you on is that it needs cooperation to address it. When the top polluters represent 75% of global emissions don't be the little guy who stands alone. When they come to the table fair enough.

Your kids and 'grandkids' live in the 'here and now'. If you can bring prosperity now do it. Dont count on, it will be alright tomorrow. Four years ago 4% of my taxes were spent on the national debt and for last tax year it's now over 11%.

Someone, somewhere needs to get a grip.

Scaremongering?

https://esd.copernicus.org/articles/16/565/2025/

The first tipping point of 1.5% above industrial global temp is likely to be hit around the mid 2030s. Even with the big polluters slowing/reversing in the coming years, it is unlikely we can halt that, and that will cause more extreme, widespread and intense heatwaves, droughts, heavy rainfall, and storms will become more frequent and intense, increasing risks of wildfires, floods, and water shortages globally. . But if that continues to 2%, that is when we have to deal with all of the above plus:

-Greater sea level rise: Melting ice sheets and glaciers will accelerate, causing higher sea level rise with increased flooding, coastal erosion, and displacement of millions, especially in low-lying coastal and island regions.​
https://www.globalgovernmentforum.co...head-of-cop30/
https://www.ceh.ac.uk/news-and-media...tipping-points

-Ecosystem collapse: Many ecosystems will face critical thresholds leading to widespread biodiversity loss, including dieback of forests, coral reef bleaching and mortality, and extinction of vulnerable species.​
https://earth.org/tipping-points-of-climate-change/


-Food and water security threats: Crop yields in many tropical and subtropical areas will decline further due to heat stress and disrupted rainfall, while fresh water availability will worsen, heightening risks of hunger and conflict.​
https://www.livescience.com/planet-e...-we-avoid-them
https://www.carbonbrief.org/tipping-...pidly-closing/


-Increased health risks: Heat-related illnesses and deaths will rise substantially, with greater spread of vector-borne diseases and worsening air pollution impacts on respiratory health.​
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abn7950


-Amplified social and economic disruption: The costs of disaster recovery, migration, infrastructure repair, lost productivity, and health treatment will surge, straining governments and societies around the world.​
https://www.ceh.ac.uk/news-and-media...tipping-points
https://global-tipping-points.org/


-Higher risk of crossing irreversible tipping points: 2°C warming greatly increases the likelihood of triggering large--scale, irreversible changes such as collapse of major ice sheets and permafrost thaw, which could further accelerate warming
https://www.carbonbrief.org/tipping-...pidly-closing/
https://www.globalgovernmentforum.co...head-of-cop30/



And when is the 2% increase likely to be reached if we continue at the rates before the current gradual slowdown of the last two years?

Between 2040 and 2060.

Yet you say our kids and grandkids should live "in the here and now".