Quote Originally Posted by animallittle3 View Post
It's not really my intention to have a bit of a data led gunfight raging where we search the Internet and try to prove our point with links to this , that and the other .

I'm not trying to disrespect your view either with the data links you submit , you are clearly passionate about climate change and that comes from a good place , most of the lefts views come from a good place , the problem as always is when they meet reality and very often ( not always ) they don't .

The way i see it is that the Chinese are one of if not the biggest polluter on the planet due to their huge manufacturing capability and the fact they do it cheaper and the not so small matter that they have historically not got a great record on many things , it's not likely to be earth shattering news that the Chinese aren't great environmentalists , they have the record that proves that , any slight improvement on years gone by isn't going to suddenly make them credible , they are still amongst the worst if not the worst polluters and it's highly likely they will be for the foreseeable .

Whilst Europe and the UK continues to shoot itself in the foot with forever legislation which is making us uncompetitive as I've pointed out to you in the chemical manufacturing industry .

An industry including the supply chain that employs 5 million people and one we won't have for too much longer , gone because green legislation is killing our competitiveness and our green legislation won't make a scrap of difference to climate change .

It's a hard one to take .
Reasonable points as always animal.

I think you have to look at this in perspective of the global warming data I just tried to discuss above. This isn't even contested in scientific circles, it is simply what is happening to us.

We can either accept that or not. If we deny it (as Reform do, despite the evidence) and we continue on the path we're provenly going, then fair enough. Is that where you are? Do you simply deny it?

If we accept that the measurable data is correct, and the projection is a reality, then we can either 1) keep up out own efforts to invest in green infrastructure which are measurably bringing down our own carbon footprint, and then hope that China, USA, Russia also reverse their trajectory in time to avoid the worst case scenario the 16 degrees global temp that we are currently going to hit in the 2040s. Or 2) give up and aim to reverse our progress on carbon footprint by increasing fossil fuel production despite evidence that China and the other super powers moving in the right direction.

It sounds like you're in favour of 2? I'm sure you have kids/grandkids, and you've read the scientific data of where we're heading. So, is it that you simply reject the scientific data, or you just are buying shares in Greenland with Howdy?

I hope as a result of all of this, my reasons for supporting the Green Party over the years come over. You may consider it as well intentioned but not in touch with reality, but surely the reality I've explained in the above post is quite clear? Only my point of view, and I would love someone to come on and show me that I have made horrendous misreadings of the scientific global warming data above, but at what point does competing with China in a fossil fuel war of competitiveness just become a point of sticking our own heads in a noose? I guess you could say that we can improve our own economy in the next 30 years by increasing our emissions again and sealing our fate, but doesn't it seem like an empty and doomed future to consign the youngers to?