Are the Lunatics Running the Asylum?

[baggieal]

Other countries have systems that work - USA, Hungary Australia
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We don't need to re-invent the wheel

Pick one and implement it vigorously . Get the system we choose to be supervised by someone who has seen their system work

That is the problem we won't implement it

I am against ID cards because they will be used to watch over us all and be used against the law abiding majority.



The government Labour and Tory have lacked the will not the means

They don't want to control immoigration. This lot don't even want to maintain our way of life

Some good points Bordering. I would copy the USA ESTA system where you citizens have to apply before entering so any criminal record like the USA then a person is not allowed in. On entry finger prints and photos are taken. Even the EU are having a similar system and in place now. The US charge about 25 pounds for an ESTA and we should charge the same.

Illegals should be kept in camps so they can not roam the streets freely and rape school girls - five in the last month. Getting ridiculous now. Then in the camps after processing illegals should be deported. Any illegal involved in crime should be immediately named and then deported.

We are such a soft country in every sense.

[Albionic68]

Some good points Bordering. I would copy the USA ESTA system where you citizens have to apply before entering so any criminal record like the USA then a person is not allowed in. On entry finger prints and photos are taken. Even the EU are having a similar system and in place now. The US charge about 25 pounds for an ESTA and we should charge the same.

Illegals should be kept in camps so they can not roam the streets freely and rape school girls - five in the last month. Getting ridiculous now. Then in the camps after processing illegals should be deported. Any illegal involved in crime should be immediately named and then deported.

We are such a soft country in every sense.

Can't see those measures having a huge impact on illegal entry to a country. Unless the illegal entrants decide to enter the country via an airport or a ferry terminal of course. Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas though 😂 .

[baggiematt]

So surely if you dont have a digital ID card, it can be assumed you arent a citizen. Feels like a good idea to me!

[Omegstrat6]

So surely if you dont have a digital ID card, it can be assumed you arent a citizen. Feels like a good idea to me!

Quite apart from any concerns over Big Brother-esque state control, this would surely be quite a costly thing to introduce though Matt and with no guarantees that those criminal elements with the means of doing so would not find ways around it. Any technology always seems to be in this constant fight between authorised users and those who want to either mis-use those systems or avoid them. If digital IDs were introduced (and the vast number of holders will, of course, be perfectly legit) what is to stop some criminal enterprises hacking into them to extract personal data? I agree that tighter controls are needed but just think that this is not the way to do so. As a society, we already seem over reliant on tech systems rather than physical man (person!) power to solve issues.

[SwedishBaggie]

George Orwell ?1984?.

People like Trump and Farage (and others with no sense of democracy, decency and integrity) would love to be able to totally control their citizens - if you criticize them you?re scr*wed, basically.

[baggiematt]

Quite apart from any concerns over Big Brother-esque state control, this would surely be quite a costly thing to introduce though Matt and with no guarantees that those criminal elements with the means of doing so would not find ways around it. Any technology always seems to be in this constant fight between authorised users and those who want to either mis-use those systems or avoid them. If digital IDs were introduced (and the vast number of holders will, of course, be perfectly legit) what is to stop some criminal enterprises hacking into them to extract personal data? I agree that tighter controls are needed but just think that this is not the way to do so. As a society, we already seem over reliant on tech systems rather than physical man (person!) power to solve issues.

Your data is everywhere Omeg. That horse has -already bolted.

[Albionic68]

So surely if you dont have a digital ID card, it can be assumed you arent a citizen. Feels like a good idea to me!

I think they should just implant newborns with digital chips and be done with it. Track their movements and less lithium to recycle as we move away from phone technology all together.

Chip everyone who turns up for a flu jab at the same time whilst they are at it so they can be tracked too. Anyone in hospital. Chip. Waiting at the bar. Chip. Supermarket queue. Chip. Immigrants off a boat. Chip.

In the queue at a chip shop. Chip. That's what you came for and one more chip won't make much of a difference. All part of the service, no need for salt and vinegar and you can thank me later.

Why would anyone think it would be a good idea to chip everyone from birth or when they go for a flu jab or when minding their own business in a queue or when they get off a boat. No idea.

No idea why it's a good idea to do precisely the same thing when dressing it up as doing society a favour by downloading an app to their mobile phones either.

How do we sell the idea. Cutting out chips will help with the obesity crisis. Some people will buy anything if you know how to sell it. Crikey, some people are even gullible enough to buy Villa tops 😉 .